RogerH Posted August 26, 2023 Report Share Posted August 26, 2023 25 minutes ago, keith1948 said: Just realised the ULEZ expansion includes Heathrow airport. Could be a surprise to many holidaymakers. Keith Hi Keith very few people drive into LHR as it costs money just to think about doing it. All airports treat cars as money spinners Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rod1883 Posted August 26, 2023 Report Share Posted August 26, 2023 Picked up our daughter and fiancé three weeks ago off their flight from Melbourne into Heathrow t4 and took them back a couple of days ago. Fairly straightforward (apart from the traffic on the M25 and roadworks on the A3) - £9.50 in the short term car park for our ~45 minutes each time. Our main car is ULEZ exempt I think, but another £25 for the two trips would be a pain if it wasn't. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
acaie Posted August 27, 2023 Report Share Posted August 27, 2023 ' The 2022 Annual CAZ report published by Bath & North East Somerset Council notes that compared with 2019, there has been a 26% reduction in annual mean nitrogen dioxide (NO2) within the zone, representing an average reduction of 8.5 micrograms per cubic metre (μg/m3). In the urban area outside the zone, there has been a 27% reduction in annual mean NO2 concentrations (an average reduction of 7.1 μg/m3) with nine fewer sites exceeding the legal limit of 40 μg/m3 falling from 10 sites in 2019 to one site in 2022. The figures also indicate an additional reduction of 6% in annual mean NO2 concentrations in 2022 compared with 2021, as well as a reduction of 7% within the CAZ boundary. This data indicates air quality has improved both within the CAZ and the areas which immediately surround it, with indications, too, of improvements to air quality across the wider B&NES area as well.' Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RobH Posted August 27, 2023 Report Share Posted August 27, 2023 (edited) I posted that on Friday. To me it shows the CAZ is doing nothing - it ought to show a far greater reduction than the uncontrolled areas outside. Edited August 27, 2023 by RobH Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hamish Posted August 29, 2023 Report Share Posted August 29, 2023 On 8/27/2023 at 9:26 AM, acaie said: ' The 2022 Annual CAZ report published by Bath & North East Somerset Council notes that compared with 2019, there has been a 26% reduction in annual mean nitrogen dioxide (NO2) within the zone, representing an average reduction of 8.5 micrograms per cubic metre (μg/m3). In the urban area outside the zone, there has been a 27% reduction in annual mean NO2 concentrations (an average reduction of 7.1 μg/m3) with nine fewer sites exceeding the legal limit of 40 μg/m3 falling from 10 sites in 2019 to one site in 2022. The figures also indicate an additional reduction of 6% in annual mean NO2 concentrations in 2022 compared with 2021, as well as a reduction of 7% within the CAZ boundary. This data indicates air quality has improved both within the CAZ and the areas which immediately surround it, with indications, too, of improvements to air quality across the wider B&NES area as well.' Did they take into account the Covid influence? during Covid all areas in the uk witnessed reduced nox and few areas have fully returned to pre Covid traffic numbers with the working from home numbers significantly greater than pre Covid times. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Charlie D Posted August 29, 2023 Report Share Posted August 29, 2023 I remember driving through London years ago when the congestion charge first came in. Several times, while leaving the zone, I spotted people jumping out of their cars at traffic lights to peel off the masking tape they had used to cover up their number plates. Apparently the fine for not having number plates was quite a bit less than the fine for not paying the congestion charge. I read today that people have started to vandalize cameras in the new zone extension. I can’t really condone criminal activity, but there comes a time when people say “Enough is enough”. Charlie. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted August 29, 2023 Report Share Posted August 29, 2023 Here in Hillingdon I have seen one camera covered with spray string (not very successfully). On a local FaceBook post one chap will be removing his number plates and sticking the number on paper in front/rear screens. I have heard of one camera post being cut down. Civil insurrection Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PodOne Posted August 29, 2023 Report Share Posted August 29, 2023 Long may it continue until khan recognises people have had enough of in effect having their freedom of movement curtailed on the basis of the ability to pay yet another tax. Interesting he made the comment that in a few years the expected revenue from the current scheme will be much reduced. After spending a fortune implementing it, what next pay/mile and I bet that will be anything on wheels including classic cars. If there is no back lash now then every council in the land will be jumping on the band wagon of course councillors and MP's will no doubt be exempt! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
acaie Posted August 30, 2023 Report Share Posted August 30, 2023 For anyone who is interested in or has queries about the Bath CAZ assessment, the main report is quite detailed, and you can download it with this link. https://beta.bathnes.gov.uk/sites/default/files/3049.CAZ_.Main Report_FINAL.pdf Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RobH Posted August 30, 2023 Report Share Posted August 30, 2023 Damned by their own report then. 71% fewer 'bad' vehicles entering the zone but the air quality is no better than the area outside. At least in Bath they don't charge private vehicles though - only commercials, busses and larger vehicles. . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steve-B Posted August 30, 2023 Report Share Posted August 30, 2023 Great news for the BamBam Klub anti-ULEZ folks today - over 600 cameras destroyed (and counting) https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/london-ulez-camera-tory-mp-vandalism-police-iain-duncan-smith-b1103720.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RobH Posted August 30, 2023 Report Share Posted August 30, 2023 (edited) It's the cynicism of the thing that gets me. Effectively what Khan is saying is "I think your car is killing people but pay me £12.50 a day and I'll let you carry on doing it." If there really was a problem then the only ethical solution would be an outright ban, but of course that generates no revenue....... Edited August 30, 2023 by RobH Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rcreweread Posted August 31, 2023 Report Share Posted August 31, 2023 9 hours ago, RobH said: It's the cynicism of the thing that gets me. Effectively what Khan is saying is "I think your car is killing people but pay me £12.50 a day and I'll let you carry on doing it." If there really was a problem then the only ethical solution would be an outright ban, but of course that generates no revenue....... On the nail! cheers Rich Quote Link to post Share on other sites
monty Posted August 31, 2023 Report Share Posted August 31, 2023 13 hours ago, RobH said: It's the cynicism of the thing that gets me. Effectively what Khan is saying is "I think your car is killing people but pay me £12.50 a day and I'll let you carry on doing it." If there really was a problem then the only ethical solution would be an outright ban, but of course that generates no revenue....... Spot on Rob, I was only making exact same point to friends over dinner yesterday! Just an extra tax! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted August 31, 2023 Report Share Posted August 31, 2023 Hi Folks, our cynicism does us proud (me certainly) but now look at it from the other direction. Many cities around our stinking globe have serious air quality issues. Nobody has come up with 'the' answer. Athens tried it a couple of years back and used odd / even number plates to limit the traffic. Ghengis needs transport within London but clearly is not happy with the transport he has. So he imposes a charge/fine/cost on drivers and hopes they will come up with the answer. He is still charging to kill people (4000/annum apparently) which surly can't be right. Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RobH Posted August 31, 2023 Report Share Posted August 31, 2023 16 minutes ago, RogerH said: He is still charging to kill people (4000/annum apparently) which surly can't be right. No it isn't right. The reality is that no-one really knows for sure. That number is a statistically derived estimate of the number of people who have fatal medical conditions which may be worsened by pollution and who may therefore die prematurely. Nothing can be proven. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andy Moltu Posted August 31, 2023 Report Share Posted August 31, 2023 An unpopular solution to a self limiting problem. The non-compliant cars are by their nature ageing and diminishing in numbers. So why go to all this effort install enforcement cameras? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PodOne Posted August 31, 2023 Report Share Posted August 31, 2023 8 minutes ago, Andy Moltu said: An unpopular solution to a self limiting problem. The non-compliant cars are by their nature ageing and diminishing in numbers. So why go to all this effort install enforcement cameras? As a warm up for Charge/mile for anything on four wheels including electric. How else will the politicians local or national plug the gap from the loss of fuel duty and road tax? The greener solution is to keep the "old cars" on the road for as long as possible. But hey there's no profit in that! The cost of installation and no doubt the dividends to the third party contractors have also got to be paid - Its a "gravy train" boys all on board. Andy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bleednipple Posted September 1, 2023 Report Share Posted September 1, 2023 21 hours ago, RobH said: No it isn't right. The reality is that no-one really knows for sure. That number is a statistically derived estimate of the number of people who have fatal medical conditions which may be worsened by pollution and who may therefore die prematurely. Nothing can be proven. Just like smoking then. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SuzanneH Posted September 1, 2023 Report Share Posted September 1, 2023 (edited) Not sure if you will be able to see this. https://www.facebook.com/groups/175791075920492/permalink/2603749043124671/ and this: Edited September 1, 2023 by SuzanneH Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RobH Posted September 4, 2023 Report Share Posted September 4, 2023 (edited) This is interesting. The authorised ULEZ sign is the drawing on the left. The signs erected are like the photo on the right, which does not comply. It would appear the signage used is incorrect. I wonder whether it can be challenged in court ? https://assets.dft.gov.uk/trafficauths/case-4557.pdf Edited September 17, 2023 by RobH Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlueTR3A-5EKT Posted September 6, 2023 Report Share Posted September 6, 2023 (edited) Side step here. My Honda lawn mower is Euro 2 compliant. What is the compliance level of all the park equipment( mowers, tractors, strimmers, etc. the boroughs have? Will that trigger a further theft from Khan? Going after the easy targets is the trick. No one is chasing the lorries with diesel power auxiliary power units that drive refrigerators or cement turning drums. These of course will probably run on agricultural red diesel which is untaxed, as they are not being used as a form of road power which would contravene vehicle excise regs. And diesel powered river transport? And air transport? And all the off road diesel transport at the airports probably running red diesel? I see the logic of the mayor backing a plan for rail link from S. London to LHR. Get the infrastructure in place for the enormous housing estate it will become when Boris Island is re-discovered and the airport is re located…. Edited September 6, 2023 by BlueTR3A-5EKT Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlueTR3A-5EKT Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 ……and in the ring tonight is pi55 taker no 1 Trip allegedly paid for by ULEZ fines Flying to a conference on emissions and climate change Sadiq Khan flies to New York for global climate summit https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-66820972 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stillp Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 Do as I say, not as I do. Pete Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ian Vincent Posted September 19, 2023 Report Share Posted September 19, 2023 ULEZ is not about climate change, it’s about air quality so maybe he’s not being quite such a hypocrite. When I next venture into London though it will be in my high CO2 and climate changing but ULEZ compliant 2006 petrol car and not my low CO2 diesel. Rgds Ian Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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