barrytr4 Posted December 7, 2020 Report Share Posted December 7, 2020 Hi mates Just took the TR4 out for a test run, front brakes not that good, thought maybe the pads too hard, took them out , they had a bit bit of "brass" in them I think, is there any recomended for disc's w/ no booster?-- thanks Barry Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted December 7, 2020 Report Share Posted December 7, 2020 Hi Barry, many in the UK recommend Mintex 1144. I like Ferodo FER167H on my 4A Many folk do not get on with the 'GreenStuff' pads. I've had some that work and then others that do not. Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Colin Symonds Posted December 7, 2020 Report Share Posted December 7, 2020 I use the Mintex 1144, but I also have four-pot calipers and a servo , so most anything works. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlueTR3A-5EKT Posted December 7, 2020 Report Share Posted December 7, 2020 Which TR 4 calipers do you have? How are the pads retained in the caliper? If it is the later pin retained type there are a wealth of pad materials available as Ford used that caliper in Europe on Escort models. as did other manufacturers at the time. Like Lotus and Austin/Morris /Rover. Girling reference for the pad shape with 1/4” pins is GDB525. or with3/16” pins GDB568 (drill them out to suit). The earlier type of caliper pads are retained by bolted plates and are ref GDB500. I think there is a rice burner that uses the same pin retained pad as the TR but I do not know what vehicle. Cheers Peter W Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bleednipple Posted December 7, 2020 Report Share Posted December 7, 2020 +1 for Mintex 1144s. I have standard calipers, no servo and they work well. I've boiled the fluid with softer pads, wouldn't go back to them. Nigel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andy303 Posted December 7, 2020 Report Share Posted December 7, 2020 7 hours ago, barrytr4 said: Hi mates Just took the TR4 out for a test run, front brakes not that good, thought maybe the pads too hard, took them out , they had a bit bit of "brass" in them I think, is there any recomended for disc's w/ no booster?-- thanks Barry Barry: I had a similar problem last year when I first acquired my TR4A. I had installed Moss's "Classic Gold" pads and I thought the pedal felt very "wooden". After flushing the complete system (fluid was very old) and properly adjusting the rear brakes the brakes are great. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quicksilver Posted December 7, 2020 Report Share Posted December 7, 2020 Hi Barry, I have pads from TRW GDB 936 Saab, standard calipers. New pads has to be bedding in the right way ( see a post from Micky). and properly adjusting rear brakes. Marcel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
barrytr4 Posted December 8, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2020 Hi mates thanks for the replies, they are 1/4" pin retainer type, will try mintex 1144 if I find--Barry Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TR4Tony VC Posted December 8, 2020 Report Share Posted December 8, 2020 hi eBay for Mintex pads - TR4 to TR6 type for 16 pb callipers are less than £60 delivered. Cheaper compounds very much cheaper. There is a particularly good seller on there I buy from regularly. They do squeal more sometimes owing to the binding agent used in the pad material but keeping them clean helps this greatly. You ought to check why your pads are glazing up - are they overheating because of the shield ? Or fluid getting very hot in the callipers, but not quite hot enough to boil and cause failure. Using a good high temp tolerant fluid like Castrol SRF tends to have benefit in my experience. Regards Tony Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andy Moltu Posted December 8, 2020 Report Share Posted December 8, 2020 Lots of Ebay sources for the mintex 1144 - Search on MGB 633 1144. Most come with the smaller diameter holes but a couple of minutes with a drill and you have 1/2inch holes. The standard calipers in good condition with mintex 1144s is absolutely fine for road use. Putting 4 pot calipers on a standard disc is pointless. The reason to go for a 4 pot conversion is to fit vented discs with the capacity to shed heat better but that generally isn't a real issue for road use. It might be for a track car where you have repeated high speed braking to be done, However they might not be permitted for race use! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John Morrison Posted December 8, 2020 Report Share Posted December 8, 2020 1/4 inch surely? John. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tim hunt Posted December 8, 2020 Report Share Posted December 8, 2020 I have very good results with Ferodo DS Performance pads (FER 167 design) in my 4A. I actually prefer their bite to that of 1144s and a bonus is that, at least in my car, the Ferodos NEVER squeal! Tim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nigel C Posted December 8, 2020 Report Share Posted December 8, 2020 On 12/7/2020 at 3:53 PM, Bleednipple said: +1 for Mintex 1144s. I have standard calipers, no servo and they work well. I've boiled the fluid with softer pads, wouldn't go back to them. Nigel Mintex 1144's are the Muts Nuts! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andy Moltu Posted December 9, 2020 Report Share Posted December 9, 2020 Typo alert, yes 1/4 inch. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pfenlon Posted December 9, 2020 Report Share Posted December 9, 2020 reg woodcock used early Jaguar callipers and I bought some from Peter Cox, they worked very well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MadMarx Posted December 11, 2020 Report Share Posted December 11, 2020 When my TR4 was a road car I've used Green Stuff for years and later as race car Yellow Stuff. But then came a point - and I don't know why - the brake pads failed. Especially on the IMSA TR8 car I've lost twice the compounds from the steel back plate (quite hairy at the end of a long straight at 160mph). I moved over to Pagid with both cars and have a lot better brake feel and constancy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
roy53 Posted December 11, 2020 Report Share Posted December 11, 2020 For FIA race use we have to use standard brakes. When our standard set up is working at it's peak it is spot on. I have locked up the fronts under heavy braking at 80mph plus when needed and seen others perform well under race conditions. many use Mintex , i use Hawk blue Roy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andy Moltu Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 Agree both Hawke and 1144s are excellent road options on a 6. Personal experience with Geensnot are that they should be confined to the rubbish bin. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rcreweread Posted December 16, 2020 Report Share Posted December 16, 2020 On 12/8/2020 at 1:53 PM, tim hunt said: I have very good results with Ferodo DS Performance pads (FER 167 design) in my 4A. I actually prefer their bite to that of 1144s and a bonus is that, at least in my car, the Ferodos NEVER squeal! Tim Tim I see Ferodo list part number FDB167M for various classic Ford pads - these look identical to TR ones so are they the same as FER 167 - they look like they will fit straight in - as ford parts, there are some really good value sets around so maybe a cost effective source? Cheers Rich Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nigel C Posted December 16, 2020 Report Share Posted December 16, 2020 I believe you can drill them out slightly? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tr4aJim Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 The PO installed Toyota 4 piston calipers on my TR4a. My first reaction when I bought the car was to swap them out for stock ones. However, brake performance was good, and getting pads is very easy (especially here in the US), so I kept them. Jim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
barrytr4 Posted December 19, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2020 Hi Mates--thanks for the info, I found the hose were half blocked, just put new , will update--barry Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tim hunt Posted December 22, 2020 Report Share Posted December 22, 2020 Yes that's right Nigel the FER167 backplate holes are for metric pins. I enlarged the holes with a rat tail file to take the 1/4" Imperial pins on my car. Tim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted December 22, 2020 Report Share Posted December 22, 2020 23 minutes ago, tim hunt said: Yes that's right Nigel the FER167 backplate holes are for metric pins. I enlarged the holes with a rat tail file to take the 1/4" Imperial pins on my car. Tim Ditto - they drill out easy. Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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