Waldi Posted March 6, 2022 Report Share Posted March 6, 2022 Not that I agree but this is “small money” compared to the annual EU natural gas import from there; 40% of EU consumption is imported from Russia. https://www.iea.org/news/how-europe-can-cut-natural-gas-imports-from-russia-significantly-within-a-year Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stillp Posted March 6, 2022 Report Share Posted March 6, 2022 Interesting summary Waldi, but nothing about increasing use of hydrogen in the gas system. Pete Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Waldi Posted March 7, 2022 Report Share Posted March 7, 2022 Hi Pete, I agree; maybe this is because we cannot create (build) that capacity in a short time so it is not a serious option? Waldi Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stillp Posted March 7, 2022 Report Share Posted March 7, 2022 A local gas boiler manufacturer is already developing boilers that will run on natural gas with up to 40% hydrogen added, and there are plans to add 20% to mains gas supplies in the UK. Some more information at https://www.britishgas.co.uk/the-source/greener-living/hydrogen-boilers.html Where the hydrogen is going to come from is another matter though. Pete Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cvtrian Posted March 7, 2022 Report Share Posted March 7, 2022 59 minutes ago, stillp said: Where the hydrogen is going to come from is another matter though Hopefully from seawater https://www.designboom.com/technology/hydrogen-fuel-seawater-university-central-florida-ucf-researchers-electrolysis-10-03-2021/ or other similar research may produce other alternatives. Ian Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Waldi Posted March 7, 2022 Report Share Posted March 7, 2022 For central heating, electric driven heat pumps are the future. Not fired boilers; these will be old timers in one or 2 decades. For the longer term, the use of hydrogen as a solution for CO2 emissions is not effective at lower percentages (like 40%) of Hydrogen and 60% natural gas. This is caused by the much (much) lower caloric value of H2 compared to CH(n+2). Waldi Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Peter Cobbold Posted March 7, 2022 Report Share Posted March 7, 2022 5 hours ago, Waldi said: For central heating, electric driven heat pumps are the future. Not fired boilers; these will be old timers in one or 2 decades. For the longer term, the use of hydrogen as a solution for CO2 emissions is not effective at lower percentages (like 40%) of Hydrogen and 60% natural gas. This is caused by the much (much) lower caloric value of H2 compared to CH(n+2). Waldi Or we can simply do without central heating and retreat to one heavily-insulated room shared with the cooker etc., in winter. I grew up with a 1950s version of that and came to no harm. if it helps defeat Putin and we see him at The Hague facing war crimes, I'm more than happy to endure 1950s lifestyle again. Peter Peter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Charlie D Posted March 8, 2022 Report Share Posted March 8, 2022 9 hours ago, Peter Cobbold said: ...retreat to one heavily-insulated room shared with the cooker etc... When I was at school we were told that people in Germany built their houses on top of cowsheds. (I did go to school quite a long time ago.) When you think of it it does seem a sensible idea. All that heat from the cow’s bodies normally just escapes into the atmosphere and has no benefit. Plus, if you could make the room airtight you could capture the methane whenever the cows farted and make use of it somehow. Charlie. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted March 8, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2022 Ice on the inside of windows, frozen pipes in the loft, frozen milk on the doorstep Frozen steam engines in the middle of nowhere Chapped legs (stupid schoolboy shorts) Frozen fingers (stupid snowballs) I survived the winters of 62 & 63 It did me no harm what so ever. However I long for an igloo. Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
john.r.davies Posted March 8, 2022 Report Share Posted March 8, 2022 Roger, you don't mention frost flowers on the inside of windows in the morning. Beautiful, but the result of numbing cold in the bedroom! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted March 8, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2022 This morning I had to fill the Saab. My usual garage is Sainsbury's just around the corner- it had traffic jams left right and centre. So I went to my local Esso about 5 miles West. Normal premium is £163.9 - wow. I put in 30Ltr @£50 Coming home I passed a BP station that I rarely go in and premium was £154.9. There is some profiteering going on here So I then took the 4A out to top up.I went to a Shell garage 2 miles North of me it was £155.9 You do need to shop around Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Z320 Posted March 8, 2022 Report Share Posted March 8, 2022 I remember petrol prices of 99 Pfennige (0,49 Euro) in the 1970-ies when I was a child. That was pretty much money in these days and my Mum and Dad told me people will not drive anymore with prices above 1 Mark. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stuart Posted March 8, 2022 Report Share Posted March 8, 2022 Kerosene for heating down here is £1.65 thats three times what it was 6mths ago. Stuart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnG Posted March 8, 2022 Report Share Posted March 8, 2022 Anyone using www.petrolprices.com? I'm making a long, looping trip starting later this week, to the wild West (of London) Reading, Bristol, Ashbury, Henley on Thames, Wallingford, Oxford, Henley, Didcot, Henley, Morton in the Marsh and home. I've got petrol prices app on my phone and it gives me the prices from all the fuel stations in any requested area It doesn't stop the cost hurting, it just reduces the pain Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted March 8, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2022 34 minutes ago, JohnG said: Anyone using www.petrolprices.com? I'm making a long, looping trip starting later this week, to the wild West (of London) Reading, Bristol, Ashbury, Henley on Thames, Wallingford, Oxford, Henley, Didcot, Henley, Morton in the Marsh and home. I've got petrol prices app on my phone and it gives me the prices from all the fuel stations in any requested area It doesn't stop the cost hurting, it just reduces the pain Hijohn, for cheap(er) fuel just concentrate on the supermarkets. Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnG Posted March 8, 2022 Report Share Posted March 8, 2022 2 hours ago, RogerH said: Hijohn, for cheap(er) fuel just concentrate on the supermarkets. Roger True, but in Swindon for example there are 2 Sainsburys 2 Asda and a Tesco, with 8p/ltr between the lowest price and the highest. That equates to a fiver per tank full Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PodOne Posted March 8, 2022 Report Share Posted March 8, 2022 Given the hardship of increasing fuel prices surly it's time for the government to peg the prices fuel companies and filling stations can charge to that of the lowest price available or at least the average. Or being cynical they know the higher it goes the more revenue they bring in. Andy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ntc Posted March 8, 2022 Report Share Posted March 8, 2022 22 minutes ago, PodOne said: Given the hardship of increasing fuel prices surly it's time for the government to peg the prices fuel companies and filling stations can charge to that of the lowest price available or at least the average. Or being cynical they know the higher it goes the more revenue they bring in. Andy We have had these prices before and nothing done then that will not change and you have been warned we all will pay the price for what’s going on Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PodOne Posted March 8, 2022 Report Share Posted March 8, 2022 9 minutes ago, ntc said: We have had these prices before and nothing done then that will not change and you have been warned we all will pay the price for what’s going on Think we are more paying the price for our deadhead politicians mismanaging the breakup of the USSR and throwing away the benefits of North Sea Oil to the highest bidders at the expense of its own people. I just hope they don't mismanage the current situation as we might all become just dust to the wind. Any bets? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AlanG Posted March 8, 2022 Report Share Posted March 8, 2022 Just paid £1.29 for heating oil. Massive increase but can't see it coming down any time soon. Alan. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewMAshton Posted March 8, 2022 Report Share Posted March 8, 2022 No one has mentioned fracking, made USA a net exporter, talking to a friend (with an interest) he claimed the limitations on the sites were totally unreasonable and designed to fail, just a thought!, cheers, Andrew Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Peter Cobbold Posted March 9, 2022 Report Share Posted March 9, 2022 I think I heard that 20% (??) of UK diesel comes came from Russia. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stuart Posted March 9, 2022 Report Share Posted March 9, 2022 Went down to a depot to get kerosene yesterday and talking to the guys running it theyre saying panic buying is also contributing to price increases and shortages again. Stuart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Misfit Posted March 9, 2022 Report Share Posted March 9, 2022 I have to feel sorry for the Americans having to find $4.67 a gallon. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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