Drewmotty Posted November 12, 2020 Report Share Posted November 12, 2020 I use my empty control box to store spare bulbs, fuses and a relay. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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David Owen Posted November 12, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2020 2 hours ago, RobH said: The trick is to find a fuse-holder block which has the fuses close enough together to allow it to fit in the box. Many of them are spaced too far apart which makes the block too long or else have connecting tags either side which makes it too wide. Some minor surgery may be necessary. Thanks. Anything to clean this mess up so I can run the brake pipe down in it's proper position: I also found this lovely piece of craftsmanship when disassembling the wiring. I am very glad I decided to replace the wiring harness. Any doubts about my competence evaporated when I saw this. It needs to be done no matter what. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MilesA Posted November 13, 2020 Report Share Posted November 13, 2020 Oh dear that is a bit of a rat's nest David. Rod's photo above posted on 08 September shows how it could be tidied with a traditional, covered fuse box. On my car as I have an alternator, I simply disposed of the defunct control box and the single, open original fuse box, used a 4 way connector and installed two, original-type covered fuse boxes: one for all the original connections and a second for all the add ons like fuel pump, fan, 12v outlet, windscreen washers, etc. Not original but (reasonably) neat and tidy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lebro Posted November 13, 2020 Report Share Posted November 13, 2020 Looking at your photo Miles (bit of thread drift here) you are still using "normal indicator bulbs. I can strongly recommend white / Amber front LED bulbs, & Amber rears, you would need a different flasher unit as well. They will go well with your stop tail bulbs. https://www.classiccarleds.co.uk/collections/sidelight-bulbs/products/bay15d-1157-white-and-amber-tail-sidelight-and-indicator-combined-led-380 https://www.classiccarleds.co.uk/collections/indicator-bulbs/products/bright-amber-smd-led-indicator-bulbs-ba15s-glb382 https://www.classiccarleds.co.uk/collections/indicator-relays-electronic/products/12v-electronic-indicator-flasher-relay-classic-car-with-oe-click-x-l-p-2-3-pin Bob. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
David Owen Posted November 13, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2020 28 minutes ago, MilesA said: Oh dear that is a bit of a rat's nest David. Rod's photo above posted on 08 September shows how it could be tidied with a traditional, covered fuse box. On my car as I have an alternator, I simply disposed of the defunct control box and the single, open original fuse box, used a 4 way connector and installed two, original-type covered fuse boxes: one for all the original connections and a second for all the add ons like fuel pump, fan, 12v outlet, windscreen washers, etc. Not original but (reasonably) neat and tidy. That looks very good. Thanks Miles. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MilesA Posted November 14, 2020 Report Share Posted November 14, 2020 16 hours ago, Lebro said: Looking at your photo Miles (bit of thread drift here) you are still using "normal indicator bulbs. I can strongly recommend white / Amber front LED bulbs, & Amber rears, you would need a different flasher unit as well. They will go well with your stop tail bulbs. https://www.classiccarleds.co.uk/collections/sidelight-bulbs/products/bay15d-1157-white-and-amber-tail-sidelight-and-indicator-combined-led-380 https://www.classiccarleds.co.uk/collections/indicator-bulbs/products/bright-amber-smd-led-indicator-bulbs-ba15s-glb382 https://www.classiccarleds.co.uk/collections/indicator-relays-electronic/products/12v-electronic-indicator-flasher-relay-classic-car-with-oe-click-x-l-p-2-3-pin Bob. Thanks Bob Actually that is an older photograph. As you note, I have your LEDs on the rear brake lights, but also LEDs for the rear indicators, white / orange LEDs under the clear glass domes for the front side lights / indicators and the essential electronic flasher unit. The only lights I have not yet uprated are the headlamps. I have the kit recommended, but not got round to pulling it all apart and sorting out (despite lockdown!). Like you, I thoroughly recommend all these upgrades to anyone who has not yet done it. Miles Quote Link to post Share on other sites
David Owen Posted November 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, MilesA said: Thanks Bob Actually that is an older photograph. As you note, I have your LEDs on the rear brake lights, but also LEDs for the rear indicators, white / orange LEDs under the clear glass domes for the front side lights / indicators and the essential electronic flasher unit. The only lights I have not yet uprated are the headlamps. I have the kit recommended, but not got round to pulling it all apart and sorting out (despite lockdown!). Like you, I thoroughly recommend all these upgrades to anyone who has not yet done it. Miles I have Marchal headlights. I am very attached to them. What is the recommended LED upgrade for the headlights? After sleeping on it I really like the duplicated covered fuse box solution.`Thanks again Miles. I think I am going to do that in lieu of a specially designed regulator shell.....which I was thinking of developing. And still might try. Edited November 14, 2020 by David Owen Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lebro Posted November 14, 2020 Report Share Posted November 14, 2020 These are about as good as you will find: https://www.classiccarleds.co.uk/products/latest-led-headlights-h4-philips-z-es-hi-lo-beam-conversion-9-32v?variant=8239030763615 Bob. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
David Owen Posted November 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, Lebro said: These are about as good as you will find: https://www.classiccarleds.co.uk/products/latest-led-headlights-h4-philips-z-es-hi-lo-beam-conversion-9-32v?variant=8239030763615 Bob. Thanks Bob. I will keep that link handy. It's the colour of the light....it's just cold...no soul. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlueTR3A-5EKT Posted November 14, 2020 Report Share Posted November 14, 2020 11 minutes ago, David Owen said: Thanks Bob. I will keep that link handy. It's the colour of the light....it's just cold...no soul. Go for the warm white option? https://www.classiccarleds.co.uk/collections/headlight-led-bulbs/products/pair-of-warm-white-led-headlights-h4-hi-lo-beam-conversion-9-32v-excellent-beam-pattern?variant=8239029715039 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ralph Whitaker Posted November 14, 2020 Report Share Posted November 14, 2020 Not wanting to put a downer on this, maybe its my advancing years (65), but I find that modern ultra bright headlamps on some modern cars too bright and they dazzle anyway even when dipped. Dipped beam bulbs used to be limited by law in this country to a certain wattage, think it might have been 45w, as a way of ensuring there was no dazzle. It seems that either due to our following of relaxed EE rulings, or by the manufacturers producing higher intensity bulbs which draw less than the legal 45w, this limitation has been side stepped. I did read recently that the motoring organisations (AA/RAC) had taken note of this and were lobbying for a new standard measured in Lumens to bring this back under control. Ralph. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlueTR3A-5EKT Posted November 14, 2020 Report Share Posted November 14, 2020 2 hours ago, David Owen said: I have Marchal headlights. I am very attached to them. What is the recommended LED upgrade for the headlights? After sleeping on it I really like the duplicated covered fuse box solution.`Thanks again Miles. I think I am going to do that in lieu of a specially designed regulator shell.....which I was thinking of developing. And still might try. Hi David, What bulb does your Marchal headlamp use? Is it the H4 or the European P45T? More research or a photo needed. Cheers Peter W Quote Link to post Share on other sites
james christie Posted November 14, 2020 Report Share Posted November 14, 2020 I’d blame it all on the French, Marchal, Cibié et alia james Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MilesA Posted November 15, 2020 Report Share Posted November 15, 2020 17 hours ago, Ralph Whitaker said: Not wanting to put a downer on this, maybe its my advancing years (65), but I find that modern ultra bright headlamps on some modern cars too bright and they dazzle anyway even when dipped. Dipped beam bulbs used to be limited by law in this country to a certain wattage, think it might have been 45w, as a way of ensuring there was no dazzle. It seems that either due to our following of relaxed EE rulings, or by the manufacturers producing higher intensity bulbs which draw less than the legal 45w, this limitation has been side stepped. I did read recently that the motoring organisations (AA/RAC) had taken note of this and were lobbying for a new standard measured in Lumens to bring this back under control. Ralph. Photographs can be deceptive, but this is a photo of my 3A on standard bulbs, on a damp, overcast morning in Yorkshire recently. Not a view I normally see, but not exactly confidence-inducing either. Having said that, I prefer the dull, warm glow of standard bulbs on the gauges and took out the LEDs I had installed. Less of a safety issue though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MilesA Posted November 15, 2020 Report Share Posted November 15, 2020 20 hours ago, David Owen said: After sleeping on it I really like the duplicated covered fuse box solution.`Thanks again Miles. I think I am going to do that in lieu of a specially designed regulator shell.....which I was thinking of developing. And still might try. David If it is of any help, I have created wiring diagrams for my arrangement. If you would like copies, just PM you email address I am happy to share them with you. The photo was taken shortly after the tidying up was completed and the 4 way block is now securely bolted down. I have also since unravelled the bodged overdrive wiring and used the 4th connector on the block as a source for more traditional wiring of the overdrive system. Miles Quote Link to post Share on other sites
David Owen Posted November 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2020 18 hours ago, BlueTR3A-5EKT said: Hi David, What bulb does your Marchal headlamp use? Is it the H4 or the European P45T? More research or a photo needed. Cheers Peter W They are H4s so the warm white option could be the answer. It will also solve the headlight power draw issue. That would be a bit of a home run! Thanks to you and Bob. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
David Owen Posted November 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2020 I think the next month is going to be spent cleaning, replacing cage nuts, putting in the correct horns and deciding whether or not to replace the rad. The hoses are definitely being replaced. And the fan squeaks after it's been running for a while, although that's an easy fix. Oh and the horn wiring. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ian Vincent Posted November 15, 2020 Report Share Posted November 15, 2020 Hi David, I can't remember if anyone has suggested this earlier in the thread but I would certainly recommend putting a relay into your headlamp circuit. It saves the voltage drop associated with sending the power via the switch and is a relatively easy mod. I have pretty much all my electrics going through relays. Rgds Ian Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lebro Posted November 15, 2020 Report Share Posted November 15, 2020 (edited) Just about worth doing with Halogen bulbs, not worth doing if using LED bulbs. I had them fitted up till two weeks ago, now removed. Bob. Edited November 15, 2020 by Lebro Quote Link to post Share on other sites
David Owen Posted November 23, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2020 This is the point where things start coming back together. Missing cage nuts welded into place (by a friends son) and now I start to reassemble. I wonder how many extra parts I will have and whether the right hand signals will be initiated by pushing the horn button? Lots of grinding, priming and cleaning to do first. Then the wiring harness. Luckily I found this and few light bulbs went on......I think I am going to redraw this with the dual fuse boxes incorporated. PS. I am writing in this fashion in the hope that if someone sees I am about to do something life threatening or that may involve the fire department they will stop me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
David Owen Posted December 1, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2020 Thought I'd go with a genuine bearskin look.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
David Owen Posted December 2, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2020 Good morning. According to my Lindt chocolate advent calendar, it is December 15th. Only 9 more shopping days until Christmas! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ralph Whitaker Posted December 3, 2020 Report Share Posted December 3, 2020 18 hours ago, David Owen said: Good morning. According to my Lindt chocolate advent calendar, it is December 15th. Only 9 more shopping days until Christmas! And I always thought it was only the clocks that were different over there. I suspect you are eating too many chocolates David. Ralph Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ian Vincent Posted December 3, 2020 Report Share Posted December 3, 2020 On 11/23/2020 at 1:40 AM, David Owen said: This is the point where things start coming back together. Missing cage nuts welded into place (by a friends son) and now I start to reassemble. I wonder how many extra parts I will have and whether the right hand signals will be initiated by pushing the horn button? Lots of grinding, priming and cleaning to do first. Then the wiring harness. Luckily I found this and few light bulbs went on......I think I am going to redraw this with the dual fuse boxes incorporated. PS. I am writing in this fashion in the hope that if someone sees I am about to do something life threatening or that may involve the fire department they will stop me. Looking at your picture of the wing bead and tags, I pop riveted my tags to the wing with very small stainless blind rivets. It made replacing the front shroud a whole lot easier. Rgds Ian Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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