Chris Hubball Posted March 15, 2018 Report Share Posted March 15, 2018 Learned Gentlemen Sorry to drag this one up again but my TR4 Lucas starter motor is beginning to expire and I am considering having it reconditioned or buying a Hi Torque one. The last postings on this subject was back in 2016 with various fors and againsts with poor quality being an issue. I wonder what is the current thinking and advice, which makes are the most reliable and who are the recommended suppliers ? Any advice would be appreciated. Cheers Chris Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JochemsTR Posted March 15, 2018 Report Share Posted March 15, 2018 Hi Chris, high performance starters just one: WOSP. They carry Denso. Worth every penny. In your case LMS007 http://www.wosperformance.co.uk/products/starter-motors/ Jochem Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fireman049 Posted March 15, 2018 Report Share Posted March 15, 2018 (edited) Hi Chris ~ I have a WOSP hi-torque starter motor ready to fit to my 1965 'E'-type Jaguar. These starters come highly rated. The starter fitted to my 3A is a Denso I believe. Very reliable. Tom. Edited March 15, 2018 by Fireman049 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bill Bourne Posted March 15, 2018 Report Share Posted March 15, 2018 Hi Chris, high performance starters just one: WOSP. They carry Denso. Worth every penny. In your case LMS007 http://www.wosperformance.co.uk/products/starter-motors/ Jochem + 1 very good. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RobH Posted March 15, 2018 Report Share Posted March 15, 2018 Hi Chris, high performance starters just one: WOSP. They carry Denso. Worth every penny. In your case LMS007 http://www.wosperformance.co.uk/products/starter-motors/ Jochem For a TR4 with bolt-on ring gear the application list says LMS006 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlueTR3A-5EKT Posted March 15, 2018 Report Share Posted March 15, 2018 (edited) +1 Very happy with this type of starter on the 4 cylinder TR. http://www.racetorations.co.uk/triumph-c56/tr3-c4/tr3-engine-c13/high-torque-starter-morgan-tr-engine-triumph-tr3-bolt-on-ring-gear-tr3a-tr4-a-p347 or WOSP https://www.amp-starters.co.uk/Product.aspx?ProductID=34356&strReferer=search&PPGR=0 Peter W Edited March 15, 2018 by BlueTR3A-5EKT Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fireman049 Posted March 15, 2018 Report Share Posted March 15, 2018 Hi again Chris ~ In my humble opinion it is advisable to wrap the starter in heat reflective material, as per the photo. My 3A is fitted with a S/S four branch manifold which is also clad in heat resisting tape. Tom. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JochemsTR Posted March 15, 2018 Report Share Posted March 15, 2018 a S/S four branch manifold which is also clad in heat resisting tape. Tom, Stainless Steel does not like to be wrapped! It becomes brittle. Jochem Quote Link to post Share on other sites
brenda Posted March 15, 2018 Report Share Posted March 15, 2018 That not good info for me my wrap has just arrived, after being told best to wrap my ss four branch. Could I just put heat shields on to protect things. Mike Redrose group Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fireman049 Posted March 15, 2018 Report Share Posted March 15, 2018 (edited) Hi Jochem ~ Thank you for that. S/S can do what the hell it likes as my TR won't be going anywhere! Cheers ~ Tom. Edited March 15, 2018 by Fireman049 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fireman049 Posted March 15, 2018 Report Share Posted March 15, 2018 Hi Mike ~ My experience with heatshields has been tragic! I'll leave my existing set-up as it stands. To hell if the S/S manifold falls to pieces! I'm afraid that this Forum has been very confusing regarding heat insulating S/S manifolds ~ one minute it's THE thing to do then it's not??? Tom. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted March 15, 2018 Report Share Posted March 15, 2018 Hi Tom, you are quite right. Every sort of answer to the wrap issue. The problem is that the answers are supplied by enthusiastic owners - not experts that have done extended trials on this that and the other. Over a short period the wrap will do no harm. After years of hot/cold/wet/dry cycles problems may happen. I would have thought that the slow cooling period would have been good for SS - it doesn't like shock. I have also heard that wrap will kill Mild steel tubes. Heat shield should have not problems with ancillaries - Alt/Starter/carbs etc. I use the ceramic coating and after about 11 years all is well. Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dave I O W Posted March 15, 2018 Report Share Posted March 15, 2018 Hi Chris How long has your starter been on your car,Is it original? if so why don't you get it reconditioned Cheers Dave. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chris Hubball Posted March 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2018 Hi Dave I have had the car since 1970 and I think it is the original starter motor and has been recondition at least twice so I thought a third time I may be pushing my luck thus considering a Hi Torque one . Cheers Chris Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lebro Posted March 15, 2018 Report Share Posted March 15, 2018 +1 for wasp starter The TR shop sell them. Bob. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
david ferry Posted March 15, 2018 Report Share Posted March 15, 2018 Chris, Powerlite are in Brierley Hill. I’m pretty sure they will supply direct. David Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steves_TR6 Posted March 15, 2018 Report Share Posted March 15, 2018 The starter on my last 6 was original, tired and flattened the battery very quickly, i replaced with a WOSP and it was very good. Turned the engine over quickly and preserved battery, tested extensively when i had an ignition problem ! Current 6 has a reconditioned original lucas starter, which also works excellently and doesnt drain the battery anything like as fast as the old tired one did. It lives next to a racetorations exhaust and gets hot, doesnt seem to mind. So either option could be good for you. The WOSP does sound very different, some dont like the sound which is perhaps a bit ‘modern’ ? Steve Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tim hunt Posted March 15, 2018 Report Share Posted March 15, 2018 I fitted a PowerLite starter motor, model number RAC 102, on my 4A over 6 years (30K+ miles) ago and have been delighted with it. No issues to date. Eurolec Components, tel 01384 261984. www.eurolec-components.co.uk tim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hamish Posted March 15, 2018 Report Share Posted March 15, 2018 Hi again Chris ~ In my humble opinion it is advisable to wrap the starter in heat reflective material, as per the photo. My 3A is fitted with a S/S four branch manifold which is also clad in heat resisting tape. Tom. Wrapping - bandaging Matron would be proud of Tom ???? I would imagine a wrapped ss manifold would still out last most of us. H Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fireman049 Posted March 15, 2018 Report Share Posted March 15, 2018 Thanks Hamish ~ A bit of common sense at last!! Regards ~ Tom. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fireman049 Posted March 15, 2018 Report Share Posted March 15, 2018 When I first bought my S/S manifold I read on this Forum that wrapping it in heat resisting tape was advisable. Having done that I then read that wrapping was a bad thing to do so I removed the manifold and stripped off the (expensive) tape. Then I read that wrapping the manifold was THE thing to do. So off, once again, with the manifold and re-wrap it in heat resistant tape! Now I read that the wrapping is NOT a good thing to do ~ so to Hell with all this conflicting 'information'. The tape stays on! Please find fault in something else ~ which I shall ignore! Tom. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
brenda Posted March 15, 2018 Report Share Posted March 15, 2018 Thanks think I will wrap the manifold in the long run its probably cheaper to get a new manifold than keep changing starter and alternator, that’s if the manifold dose not like the wrap. Mike Redrose group Quote Link to post Share on other sites
monty Posted March 15, 2018 Report Share Posted March 15, 2018 The fact that wrapping is widely used in Motorsport must mean something? I will leave mine on! Any Motorsport comments Mick? Cheers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
North London Mike Posted March 15, 2018 Report Share Posted March 15, 2018 + 1 very good. +2 Almost the first mod to LNK, couldn't believe how slow the stock unit was, 10 years later still great ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ShaunC Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 When I first bought my S/S manifold I read on this Forum that wrapping it in heat resisting tape was advisable. Having done that I then read that wrapping was a bad thing to do so I removed the manifold and stripped off the (expensive) tape. Then I read that wrapping the manifold was THE thing to do. So off, once again, with the manifold and re-wrap it in heat resistant tape! Now I read that the wrapping is NOT a good thing to do ~ so to Hell with all this conflicting 'information'. The tape stays on! Please find fault in something else ~ which I shall ignore! Tom. Sounds like you are an expert wrapper now! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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