Paul Hogan Posted February 14, 2023 Report Share Posted February 14, 2023 Just had a copy of the Silverstone Auction catalogue drop through my door and it seems that the Twin Sparks collection is selling off a number of cars including the ex works TR5 demo car LHP 288F or CP1 as its being advertised. It doesn't have the original engine number, (CP3) as it was replaced with another early unit, CP28E. Its estimated to go under the hammer for around £55,000-£65,000. The book says Dave Bishop was the former owner and those of you who have heard of Dave will know that he worked for BL Heritage and helped to set up the TR6 body shell project. hoges. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
boxofbits Posted February 14, 2023 Report Share Posted February 14, 2023 https://www.carandclassic.com/car/C1545949 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PGB BME Posted February 14, 2023 Report Share Posted February 14, 2023 I would have thought that without the original engine its value is severely reduced to a collector? Just my opinion Phil Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stuart Posted February 15, 2023 Report Share Posted February 15, 2023 Sorry but thats a real shame that any originality has been lost, no engine bay fuel pump, no early alternator, later air bleed valve and black painted air box. Panel fit is awful too as is the hood and frame. Stuart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PGB BME Posted February 15, 2023 Report Share Posted February 15, 2023 Surely the car isn’t CP1 anymore? Surely anyone buying it would just be buying a TR5, the provenance has gone along with the original engine and the mods. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gary F Posted February 15, 2023 Report Share Posted February 15, 2023 (edited) It doesn't state when the engine was changed, but presumably early on in it's life with the replacement engine being so low a number, so surely this is still part of it's history? The Royal Blue Paint/Tan interior look good in the photographs and with the exception of the Boot lid panel fit looks reasonable to me (A lot of TR's have probably been restored to a better standard than when they where made originally anyway?). I keep hearing and reading that values are stalling on upper level classics, presumably due to us being on the edge of a recession, so it will be interesting to see if it reaches the lower reserve value and sells CP2 is still listed for sale at a Classic Car Dealer fairly local to me and as been for sale for several months, although the price listed for this one is high in my opinion https://sherwoodrestorations.co.uk/vehicle/1967-triumph-tr5/ Gary Edited February 15, 2023 by Gary F Quote Link to post Share on other sites
boxofbits Posted February 15, 2023 Report Share Posted February 15, 2023 38 minutes ago, Gary F said: It doesn't state when the engine was changed, but presumably early on in it's life with the replacement engine being so low a number, so surely this is still part of it's history? The Royal Blue Paint/Tan interior look good in the photographs and with the exception of the Boot lid panel fit looks reasonable to me (A lot of TR's have probably been restored to a better standard than when they where made originally anyway?). I keep hearing and reading that values are stalling on upper level classics, presumably due to us being on the edge of a recession, so it will be interesting to see if it reaches the lower reserve value and sells CP2 is still listed for sale at a Classic Car Dealer fairly local to me and as been for sale for several months, although the price listed for this one is high in my opinion https://sherwoodrestorations.co.uk/vehicle/1967-triumph-tr5/ Gary There is also quite a gap between the offside front wing and door as far as I can see. CP2 looks a better car than CP1 though in my opinion. Engine number for this one is CP1E, so I assume that's original. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tr graham Posted February 15, 2023 Report Share Posted February 15, 2023 And many many more things could be added to Stuart’s list , cp2 a better buy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stuart Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 15 hours ago, tr graham said: And many many more things could be added to Stuart’s list , cp2 a better buy Yes a much nicer car, still a shame it doesnt have the pump up front for originality though. Stuart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kenrow Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 Isn’t CP2 now in the United States? CP2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DOG_MORGAN Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 Cp2 his that the one that tr bitzs sold years ago Quote Link to post Share on other sites
multipletriumphsinner Posted February 17, 2023 Report Share Posted February 17, 2023 (edited) On 2/15/2023 at 12:58 PM, PGB BME said: Surely the car isn’t CP1 anymore? Surely anyone buying it would just be buying a TR5, the provenance has gone along with the original engine and the mods. I don't see an engine change by the factory, at the factory (as this surely was) affecting any cars value. This cars replacement engine CP28E was in a batch of engines that seem to have been used by the factory as replacement units, and in other projects. We have CP26E, and CP29E here, one in a prototype 2.5PI Estate, and the other in one of Triumphs most successful rally cars. Edited February 17, 2023 by multipletriumphsinner Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gary F Posted February 17, 2023 Report Share Posted February 17, 2023 19 hours ago, Kenrow said: Isn’t CP2 now in the United States? CP2 It would seem so? I didn't realise it had been sold (Sherwood Restorations need to update there website) Thanks for the heads up Gary Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gary F Posted February 17, 2023 Report Share Posted February 17, 2023 (edited) On 2/16/2023 at 7:01 PM, DOG_MORGAN said: Cp2 his that the one that tr bitzs sold years ago Deleted, Duplicate post. Edited February 20, 2023 by Gary F Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DOG_MORGAN Posted February 17, 2023 Report Share Posted February 17, 2023 (edited) Cp2 his that the one that tr bitzs sold years ago hit was rebuilt engine gearbox and all running gear useing all original parts the technician was John when it was cleaned and polished it looked good job done done for the team at tr bitzs Edited February 17, 2023 by DOG_MORGAN Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlueTR3A-5EKT Posted February 25, 2023 Report Share Posted February 25, 2023 At the Retro Race auction Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kenrow Posted February 25, 2023 Report Share Posted February 25, 2023 How did it look up close and in person? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dave McDonald Posted February 25, 2023 Report Share Posted February 25, 2023 Sold for £39,333 I believe. Seems very cheap. Dave McD Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ntc Posted February 25, 2023 Report Share Posted February 25, 2023 (edited) There was a cracker at auction today and didn’t get a bid at 30k Edited February 25, 2023 by ntc Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlueTR3A-5EKT Posted February 25, 2023 Report Share Posted February 25, 2023 7 hours ago, Kenrow said: How did it look up close and in person? To me. Too tall at the rear as if it had jacked up rear suspension and the doors were not squared between the A and B posts. Jacking the rear body up off the chassis might bring the doors into square. A paving slab in the boot would lower the rear end. Trial and error I guess. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mike59 Posted February 26, 2023 Report Share Posted February 26, 2023 Hopefully the car was purchased by an enthusiastic owner who is going to use the car and we will have the pleasure of seeing it out and about at various events around the country rather than been tucked away as an investment. I've only ever seen LHP 288F once and it just happened tobe on the forecourt of my local garage with the mechanic scratching his head trying to sort the fuel injection out because it wouldn't run properly. At the time it was owned by David Bishop, this would have been some 10 years ago I guess and I took the opportunity to take a photo of it with LHP 294F. Look forward to learning who the new owner is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
roy53 Posted February 26, 2023 Report Share Posted February 26, 2023 16 hours ago, Dave McDonald said: Sold for £39,333 I believe. Seems very cheap. Dave McD i agree with work it could be an exceptional car if put back to original spec . Yes shame it lost it's original engine but a factory replacement is part of the cars history. Roy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hamish Posted February 26, 2023 Report Share Posted February 26, 2023 6 hours ago, roy53 said: i agree with work it could be an exceptional car if put back to original spec . Yes shame it lost it's original engine but a factory replacement is part of the cars history. Roy So really it’s just a TR5 now then? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tr graham Posted February 26, 2023 Report Share Posted February 26, 2023 Yes and not a very nice one at that , hence the price Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ntc Posted February 26, 2023 Report Share Posted February 26, 2023 As I pointed out they have been overpriced for years and some people are going to regret buying at silly prices Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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