markaluge Posted October 28, 2021 Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 Hi all, I am in the process of fitting a new stainless steel exhaust to my ‘58 3A. I have fitted a new support bracket and bushes in front of the chassis box which is clamping the joint nicely and holding everything firm. Getting the clamp in place where the two box sections come together was a faff but I have managed it and the rear support was easy enough. All of that done I am not convinced that the exhaust won’t still knock on the rear of the chassis box section. Has anyone done anything else to make the system more rigid so as not to knock on the chassis? Mark Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlueTR3A-5EKT Posted October 28, 2021 Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 The exhaust centre mount is always a challenge. Fitting the later design that attaches to the gearbox mounting rather than the chassis means the exhaust will move with the gearbox but it does stay more rigidly positioned. many of the replacement exhaust systems have the first box incorrectly positioned on the pipe so the silencer front corner hits the chassis see this previous thread with photos. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ian Vincent Posted October 29, 2021 Report Share Posted October 29, 2021 My exhaust is clamped at the gearbox flange and then again at the centre mounting by the handbrake. The latter mounting has rubber bushes which offer a degree of flex. Where the pipe passes through the cruciform I have crushed it ever so slightly oval to increase the clearance to the chassis and thus far (fingers crossed) it hasn't hit the chassis or fractured the exhaust pipe. It is then hung from a flexible strap just before the rear axle and again aft of the single silencer box. Rgds Ian Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Richardtr3a Posted October 29, 2021 Report Share Posted October 29, 2021 I have done much the same and it has been no problem for many months. Why can they not make it so that it fits first time ? Good luck Richard & B. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foster461 Posted October 29, 2021 Report Share Posted October 29, 2021 I tried to use the original style clamp/support but it was a waste of time as the clamp part was never going to clamp the joint tight enough. I ditched that and followed Stuarts advice and used the later TR4 support. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lebro Posted October 29, 2021 Report Share Posted October 29, 2021 +1 It holds the pipe firmly to the gearbox, so you don't need the bell housing support, & with careful alignment you can get it through the cruciform without it touching the sides. Bob. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ralph Whitaker Posted October 30, 2021 Report Share Posted October 30, 2021 I have the Tourist Trophy twin box system with the TR4 support at the gearbox mount and the standard hanging strap at the rear. It looks as though it should rattle on the holes on the center box of the chassis, but in practice it has been OK. As Peter said, the first silencer box is a tad too long and is very close the the rearmost part of the floor of the car, but again it doesn`t touch in use. I have all new engine and gearbox mounts which helps control the movement of the engine in the chassis, might be a different story with older mounts, especially the gearbox mount if it has gone Squidgy from years of being soaked in oil. Ralph Quote Link to post Share on other sites
markaluge Posted November 2, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2021 (edited) Thanks all for sharing your thoughts. Mark Edited November 2, 2021 by markaluge Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Adrian Fuller Posted November 18, 2021 Report Share Posted November 18, 2021 Hi Mark I have just finished my engine rebuild and will be fitting it the chassis over the weekend. I will be fitting phoenix stainless road manifold and converting to alternator. Are you using any form of heat shield on exhaust to protect carbs and or alternator. I am struggling to decide between tape of plate heatshield or is it required?. Any thoughts on this would be very welcome Cheers Adrian Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lebro Posted November 18, 2021 Report Share Posted November 18, 2021 (edited) I did make a heat shield for my car, my local tr owning friend who also has the Phoenix manifold & alternator has no heat shield & has had no problem. Bob Edited November 18, 2021 by Lebro Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rcreweread Posted November 18, 2021 Report Share Posted November 18, 2021 I cooked my alternator ( well actually it was a dynamator) with a Phoenix S/S extractor on my 4, so fitted a heat shield which I got from Revington - having seen how simple it was, I will make my own one next time. I really don't like wrapped manifolds - they look horrible in my view although they undoubtedly work, albeit some people have reported severe corrosion underneath the wrap over time. I don't recall anyone having fuel vaporisation in the carbs from a S/S manifold so I don't think that's an issue Cheers Rich Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Adrian Fuller Posted November 18, 2021 Report Share Posted November 18, 2021 Does anyone have a photo of heat shields either carb or alternator. Many thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rcreweread Posted November 18, 2021 Report Share Posted November 18, 2021 Adrian - try these - sorry they are not very good but I'm no David Bailey and in a bit of a rush! Cheers Rich Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ian Vincent Posted November 19, 2021 Report Share Posted November 19, 2021 Here are some photos of my heatshield. It bolts to the front exhaust manifold stud and the inlet manifold (which is a TR4a one). Originally the top angle bracket was made of aluminium but that fatigued across the bend line so its replacement is steel. The alternator is a small 40 amp Kubota Denso item. Rgds Ian Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Adrian Fuller Posted November 19, 2021 Report Share Posted November 19, 2021 Thanks all for the photos, I think I should be able to fabricate something similar, another evening in the garage it is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ianc Posted November 19, 2021 Report Share Posted November 19, 2021 Back in 1962, the Works' TR4 Rally cars were fitted with a heat shield to protect the dynamo from the 4-branch exhaust. 4VC still had the shield in place when I bought the car 52 years ago. The car was re-built in 1990-1993 by Revington, and the same shield was fitted to protect the alternator which I had requested be fitted in place of the dynamo. When Neil was fettling 6VC in about 1995, having brought the car back from the USA, he fitted an alternator - but not a heat shield. Whoops - he cooked the alternator! Whish is why he offers a shield. But it's not difficult to make your own - just a sheet of tinplate will do the job (that's what 4VC still has in place). Ian Cornish Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mick Forey Posted November 21, 2021 Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 On 11/18/2021 at 8:55 PM, rcreweread said: Adrian - try these Hi Rich, can you still get at the rear bearing on the dynamo to lubricate it? I read on this forum years ago that the rear bearing is the biggest weakness of the dynamo so needs regular lubrication. Mick Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stuart Posted November 21, 2021 Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Mick Forey said: Hi Rich, can you still get at the rear bearing on the dynamo to lubricate it? I read on this forum years ago that the rear bearing is the biggest weakness of the dynamo so needs regular lubrication. Mick As its only likely to need a drop of lube once a year if that then just remove and refit the shield after. Stuart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hamish Posted November 21, 2021 Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 I went for a quilted heat shield. More due to having a bored afternoon than a creating design spec !! Using exhaust wrap. after the previous one cracked and had become brittle due to being fastened to the manifold Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Adrian Fuller Posted November 24, 2021 Report Share Posted November 24, 2021 Evening all, I have managed a couple of hours in the garage and started fitting the phoenix manifold and can already see a couple of issues, first will be grinding down the flange in various locations to allow the inlet manifold to also fit. However my question for tonight is.. How close can the break pipe be to the manifold (see photo} there is currently about a half inch gap, is that likely to cause any braking issues due to heat tx into break fluid. Any thought again greatfuly received. Adrian Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rcreweread Posted November 24, 2021 Report Share Posted November 24, 2021 16 minutes ago, Adrian Fuller said: Evening all, I have managed a couple of hours in the garage and started fitting the phoenix manifold and can already see a couple of issues, first will be grinding down the flange in various locations to allow the inlet manifold to also fit. However my question for tonight is.. How close can the break pipe be to the manifold (see photo} there is currently about a half inch gap, is that likely to cause any braking issues due to heat tx into break fluid. Any thought again greatfuly received. Adrian Adrian - I think that is probably a bit too close for comfort - also, just checked on my TR4, and switch/T piece is fitted a different way round so it's my switch which is closer to the manifold but so far it seems to have survived OK. Couple of photos of my switch arrangement for info. Cheers Rich Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Adrian Fuller Posted November 24, 2021 Report Share Posted November 24, 2021 Hi Rich Just found original photo of mine while stripping down, looks like I have fitted as original but will have a look to see if it is possible to change ports tomorrow. Cheers Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lebro Posted November 24, 2021 Report Share Posted November 24, 2021 I had the same issue when I fitted my Phoenix manifold, I rotated the fixture so that the switch was nearest the exhaust as shown in the post above. Bob. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ian Vincent Posted November 25, 2021 Report Share Posted November 25, 2021 My brake pipe is a little bit further away from the manifold than yours but not much. I rotated the fitting slightly and I also wrapped the manifold over it’s complete length. To date I haven’t had any problems with it. Rgds Ian Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Drewmotty Posted November 25, 2021 Report Share Posted November 25, 2021 (edited) I had a couple of pressure switches fail in that position so changed to a mechanical switch on the pedal box. It has the advantage that the brake lights illuminate much sooner too. Edited November 25, 2021 by Drewmotty Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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