Rushboyz Posted July 14, 2020 Report Share Posted July 14, 2020 Is it possible to get an EB plate made based off of the Commission plate number? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stuart Posted July 14, 2020 Report Share Posted July 14, 2020 37 minutes ago, Rushboyz said: Is it possible to get an EB plate made based off of the Commission plate number? No The EB number is the Mulliners body number and theres no available records of them. Stuart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foster461 Posted July 14, 2020 Report Share Posted July 14, 2020 The build records usually have the body number (the plate below the EB plate) but to my knowledge there are no records of the EB plate. It should however be close to the commission number if you want to just make up a number. I was fortunate that the body number plate was missing (along with most of the battery box) but the EB plate was still attached. Bill Piggott got me the missing body number detail. Stan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rushboyz Posted July 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 19 hours ago, foster461 said: The build records usually have the body number (the plate below the EB plate) but to my knowledge there are no records of the EB plate. It should however be close to the commission number if you want to just make up a number. I was fortunate that the body number plate was missing (along with most of the battery box) but the EB plate was still attached. Bill Piggott got me the missing body number detail. Stan Thanks Stan, do you know of any place that is able to reproduce these tags? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cjstoodley Posted July 15, 2020 Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Rushboyz said: Thanks Stan, do you know of any place that is able to reproduce these tags? Yes, Nick Raistrick of TR Lincs has the correct pattern stamping machine and can produce original looking tags. If you want his telephone number send me PM and I’ll forward it to you. Chris Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foster461 Posted July 15, 2020 Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 3 hours ago, Rushboyz said: Thanks Stan, do you know of any place that is able to reproduce these tags? Where are you located ?. There are a couple of options for repro brass plates in the US and the UK. Welcome to the forum btw, always happy to see another sidescreen car getting a new lease on life. Stan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rushboyz Posted August 27, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2020 Located in Canada. So not an issue to pull out of the US for the tags. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ian Vincent Posted August 27, 2020 Report Share Posted August 27, 2020 On 7/14/2020 at 5:18 PM, stuart said: No The EB number is the Mulliners body number and theres no available records of them. Stuart. While there are no records it should be possible to make an educated guess at the number from Body number or TS number. Rgds Ian Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stuart Posted August 28, 2020 Report Share Posted August 28, 2020 13 hours ago, Ian Vincent said: While there are no records it should be possible to make an educated guess at the number from Body number or TS number. Rgds Ian True but it would be only a guess. Stuart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EliTR6 Posted August 28, 2020 Report Share Posted August 28, 2020 What's an EB plate? Thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlueTR3A-5EKT Posted August 28, 2020 Report Share Posted August 28, 2020 (edited) Engineering Build. ? Edited August 28, 2020 by BlueTR3A-5EKT Quote Link to post Share on other sites
openroad Posted August 28, 2020 Report Share Posted August 28, 2020 On 7/15/2020 at 7:17 PM, cjstoodley said: Yes, Nick Raistrick of TR Lincs has the correct pattern stamping machine and can produce original looking tags. If you want his telephone number send me PM and I’ll forward it to you. Chris Nick's the man, like Chris says, he imported the machine from the States, and makes perfect reproductions from he right type of Brass, with the Correct Font. Conrad. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foster461 Posted August 28, 2020 Report Share Posted August 28, 2020 On 8/27/2020 at 1:04 PM, Rushboyz said: Located in Canada. So not an issue to pull out of the US for the tags. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ralph Whitaker Posted August 29, 2020 Report Share Posted August 29, 2020 To give you some idea, my late 60 3a has an EB number 1987 lower than the commission number, and these were the original plates still in situ on the American import when I bought it. Also had engine no 278 lower than commission number. No body number was recorded in the factory records (according to Heritage Certificate), so I assume the factory did not place much importance on it, probably just used for internal reference until the commission no had been allocated. Ralph. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ralph Whitaker Posted August 29, 2020 Report Share Posted August 29, 2020 How do you suppose the system worked at the factory?. I am imagining that the commission number would be the last item screwed (or riveted) on to the car as it left the factory and details entered into the records. That might account for the discrepancy in the numbers, with cars sent back for rectification or alteration for a particular order. Ralph. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foster461 Posted August 29, 2020 Report Share Posted August 29, 2020 4 hours ago, Ralph Whitaker said: To give you some idea, my late 60 3a has an EB number 1987 lower than the commission number, and these were the original plates still in situ on the American import when I bought it. Also had engine no 278 lower than commission number. No body number was recorded in the factory records (according to Heritage Certificate), so I assume the factory did not place much importance on it, probably just used for internal reference until the commission no had been allocated. Ralph. The service offered via Mike Ellis will yield a missing body number if you have the commission number. Stan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rushboyz Posted August 30, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2020 On 7/15/2020 at 2:59 PM, foster461 said: Where are you located ?. There are a couple of options for repro brass plates in the US and the UK. Welcome to the forum btw, always happy to see another sidescreen car getting a new lease on life. Stan Thanks for the welcome Stan. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rodbr Posted August 30, 2020 Report Share Posted August 30, 2020 (edited) To the best of my knowledge the sequence of only the first TR2 EB numbers say first 500 or so, were sequential or close to but as manufacture numbers ramped up the number of shells used become to be out of sequence, so a leap of faith would be required to get even an approximate number on later cars. I would be tempted to also stamp on the back of the plate that it is fake or guess to avoid mistakenly duplicating the EB RELATING TO A NUMBER OF ANOTHER CAR FWIW the Body number seems to have been painted and the EB (engineering build , specification list)number plate was unpainted brass finished both screwed to bulkhead with slotted flathead screws. Rod Edited August 30, 2020 by Rodbr Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John McCormack Posted August 30, 2020 Report Share Posted August 30, 2020 On 7/15/2020 at 8:05 AM, foster461 said: The build records usually have the body number (the plate below the EB plate) but to my knowledge there are no records of the EB plate. It should however be close to the commission number if you want to just make up a number. I was fortunate that the body number plate was missing (along with most of the battery box) but the EB plate was still attached. Bill Piggott got me the missing body number detail. Stan This might give an idea of the EB number. My TS3732O Comm No is EB3892, 160 higher. My TS5038O Comm No is EB5396, 358 higher. Both cars have their original plates. The difference between the Comm and engine numbers increases as they were produced. Maybe the same with EB numbers. If someone has a car close to yours the difference between the Comm and EB should be pretty close. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ralph Whitaker Posted August 30, 2020 Report Share Posted August 30, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, John McCormack said: This might give an idea of the EB number. My TS3732O Comm No is EB3892, 160 higher. My TS5038O Comm No is EB5396, 358 higher. Both cars have their original plates. The difference between the Comm and engine numbers increases as they were produced. Maybe the same with EB numbers. If someone has a car close to yours the difference between the Comm and EB should be pretty close. I assume therefore that the "O" at the end of each of your numbers is denoting overdrive. Interesting that the EB no is higher on both of your cars, with an apparently increasing gap whereas on my later car (TS81866) the EB no is lower, however according to Bill Piggott, there was a batch of commission numbers unused between 47956 and 50000 which may account for the difference. My brass tags appear to be original (see pic) and the body number seems to be approximately right for the year, but both seem to be overpainted. I cannot remember now if when I took them off there was paint underneath which would indicate whether they were applied by Mulliners or fitted afterwards by Triumph. Would be interesting to get a comparison with other cars around the same commision no. Ralph. PS, you got to admire the fibreglass battery box. Wouldn`t have wanted to hit a bump with that, could have ended up with the battery resting on the gearbox cover. Edited August 30, 2020 by Ralph Whitaker Additional thoughts Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John McCormack Posted August 30, 2020 Report Share Posted August 30, 2020 I believe the EB was fixed by Mulliners and is therefore painted with the body. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
David Owen Posted August 30, 2020 Report Share Posted August 30, 2020 On 8/29/2020 at 7:39 AM, foster461 said: The service offered via Mike Ellis will yield a missing body number if you have the commission number. Stan +1 this is very useful. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
roger murray-evans Posted September 7, 2020 Report Share Posted September 7, 2020 (edited) On 8/29/2020 at 8:31 AM, Ralph Whitaker said: To give you some idea, my late 60 3a has an EB number 1987 lower than the commission number, and these were the original plates still in situ on the American import when I bought it. Also had engine no 278 lower than commission number. No body number was recorded in the factory records (according to Heritage Certificate), so I assume the factory did not place much importance on it, probably just used for internal reference until the commission no had been allocated. Ralph. Ralph, I might be barking up the wrong tree here, but weren't the engine numbers generally higher than the comm numbers, due to engines supplies being made available to other users such as Morgan, Swallow ect? Roger M-E Edited September 7, 2020 by roger murray-evans forget to sign Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ralph Whitaker Posted September 8, 2020 Report Share Posted September 8, 2020 16 hours ago, roger murray-evans said: Ralph, I might be barking up the wrong tree here, but weren't the engine numbers generally higher than the comm numbers, due to engines supplies being made available to other users such as Morgan, Swallow ect? Roger M-E I have the Heritage build sheet for the car which shows the engine no as 81588 and the commision no as 81866. Don`t ask me why, but that is what the records show. Ralph Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foster461 Posted September 8, 2020 Report Share Posted September 8, 2020 My commission number is also 324 lower than the engine number. 1960 TR3a. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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