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Ref the gear box socket, I got mine from TRGB not cheap it looks like a Torx socket, they suggested I buy a new plug which I did and used it but the old plug didnt look to bad.

Like the ramp, Is it hydraulic, Ive been looking at the mandraulic version from AJ Autos, but seen mixed revues about them. The guy who painted my Avenger has one and says I can borrow it for a try out which I might do, but like the look of yours.

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TBH it looks like a pretty good basis to start with, the dent your on about in the arch is supposed to be there and you are missing the wing beadings on top of front and rear wings. The dash you have

Jase, I know these are strange times but I also live in Bridgend and have a 1962 TR4 and would normally offer you the opportunity to come and use as a reference or just a chat. Have you cont

Having spent quite a lot of time going through the car I decided to do an essential run today and drive it for the first time and pick up some petrol, just a few shots back on the drive and my essenti

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6 hours ago, phil Dean said:

Ref the gear box socket, I got mine from TRGB not cheap it looks like a Torx socket, they suggested I buy a new plug which I did and used it but the old plug didnt look to bad.

Like the ramp, Is it hydraulic, Ive been looking at the mandraulic version from AJ Autos, but seen mixed revues about them. The guy who painted my Avenger has one and says I can borrow it for a try out which I might do, but like the look of yours.

I found an old brake adjuster and filed it out to size, worked perfectly then, the plug is fine, just a challenge removing.

Yes, the ramp is superb, I was going to go for the smaller scissor jack that had arms that swung out but wanted something a little more solid, still have the axle stands under it though just incase (old school) :)

It makes life much easier.

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Completed the gearbox oil change today EP90 replaced with the correct Dynolite, tappets reset (a few were tight) and I'm hoping oil leak cured. Also (by chance) noticed the vacuum pipe was getting caught in the throttle linkage of the front carb, been doing this since I've had the car which is probably why my idling was out. Also replaced the rear wheel studs. Need to test drive now with the new spin on oil filter, new petrol tank and fully serviced.

 

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Picked up a new old stock petrol cap today, seller said it would also fit TR4A, it is the screw type. On further research it looks like recommended up to a TR3. However I can see that if I cut down my joining hose to the petrol tank I can fit the nut in place in the tube and then screw the cap in place. Is this fine to do? Would hate not to use it as it is currently the only piece of perfect chrome on my car :) 

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Looking at a reconditioned/rebuild at some point. Any recommendations for suppliers of engines within a reasonable budget :) I've looked at rebuilding myself but would like some type of warranty with the engine and the reassurance it is done properly. I don't want to be messing about and having the car off the road for too long. My engine runs fine but could do with a refresh.

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39 minutes ago, Jase said:

Looking at a reconditioned/rebuild at some point. Any recommendations for suppliers of engines within a reasonable budget :) I've looked at rebuilding myself but would like some type of warranty with the engine and the reassurance it is done properly. I don't want to be messing about and having the car off the road for too long. My engine runs fine but could do with a refresh.

Jason - how far are you prepared to travel? Is East Anglia too far?

Cheers Rich

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5 hours ago, rcreweread said:

Jason - how far are you prepared to travel? Is East Anglia too far?

Cheers Rich

I'm happy to ship my engine anywhere on a pallet or exchange.

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Good to see high quality 1980’s bonnet repairs. I was hoping for just a few little pin holes but it got bigger :) fair play though, the filler lasted more than 40 years. Now to cut out all of the rot and do it properly.

 

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12 hours ago, Jase said:

Few more. Do people drill out the spot welds for the centre strengther so you can paint behind?

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You could but then what about welding it back again? I usually make sure theres enough Bondarust blown in under and a bit of primer then when painting it blow in under with a small touch up gun and then paint the bonnet as normal. That repair on the front of the bonnet is typical as the water gets in and has nowhere to go, good candidate to plate and lead fill, dont forget to fit the bonnet re-enforcing plates at the back to stop the cracking. I do have patterns if you need them.

Stuart.

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3 hours ago, stuart said:

You could but then what about welding it back again? I usually make sure theres enough Bondarust blown in under and a bit of primer then when painting it blow in under with a small touch up gun and then paint the bonnet as normal. That repair on the front of the bonnet is typical as the water gets in and has nowhere to go, good candidate to plate and lead fill, dont forget to fit the bonnet re-enforcing plates at the back to stop the cracking. I do have patterns if you need them.

Stuart.

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Thanks Stuart, I was going to ask about the reinforcement pieces. If I could have the pattern that would be fantastic.

Picked up some paint removal discs today so going to strip the bonnet down tomorrow.

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On 2/27/2024 at 3:50 PM, Bfg said:

well done Jase.  Now to put it all back on again :P

:) on a bit of a mission now, bought an electric drill for a bit more power to keep at the most difficult bits for removal. 

Just wondering what primer would you use on this? Etch or Zinc? Followed with high build and then need to decide if I'm going to change the colour back to original - Conider or stick with the BRG, always liked Brooklands Green or go with Primrose Yellow??? If I do change to a different colour I will probably paint the inside in the new colour and hit the outside with BRG to keep me going until I can paint the whole car. Should be fun

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Hi Jase,  I'm trying a rattle-can 1k epoxy primer just now, see images below.  I've used it on the steel sides of my Daimler's radiator and have repainted its heater box with it.   The paint's colour is like red-oxide and coverage is good. 

The paint sticks well to wire brush cleaned metal,  but the black rattle-can spray paint I've used is easily scratched, leaving the reddish colour showing through, but that may be because I applied it straight onto the dry epoxy primer rather than keying it with fine emery paper.  I really ought to test another piece with rubbing down between primer and finished paint coats.. and then leaving the test piece outside through the wet spring weather. 

 

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Regarding final colour, I'd go with what you like best, balanced with what you feel looks great on a TR4.  It's worthwhile remembering that the original colour was a customer choice, and from a very limited range ..and now you are the paying customer.!    Again I've been focused on my Daimler and decided not to stick with its original silver grey colour, nor the black it was subsequently repainted in. Both colours though went well with the car's ox-blood red leather seats, interior trim and carpets. I started by looking at dozens of internet photos showing the car (Jaguar-Daimler compact saloons of the '60's) and then eliminated those which I didn't think would compliment my car very bold red interior.  

I then decided which tone (light or dark) to exclude, because light shows up panel gap deficiencies. And dark colours because they show the dirt n' dust too much (for my country lane driving).  Also as I've matured ..yeah okay 'got old' , my eyes have more difficulty seeing into dark corners ..like in the engine bay.  So I chose a light colour but not too light. I even ruled out the most common colour of the car, which on the Daimler V8 saloon seems to be a lovely light blue metallic.  It might not be, but of course it's more about what one sees (notices most) rather than what is.  Surprising even myself I've chosen to paint the Daimler gold (aka opalescent beige  ;) ).

Jaguar-Daimler's opalescent golden sand of the period was spec'd with the red seats, and it looks very nice ..on a posh saloon car.  However..  me being me I wasn't sure, in fact I was almost certain the colour wasn't exactly what I was looking for.  This sorta stems from when I restored one of my Sunbeam motorcycle. It's an opalescent silver bike from the 1950's. ...one of the very first to have metallic paint.  I had removed its rear light housing to find unbleached / non-yellowed original paint, and it looked too bluish-silver.  Over the period of 60+ years the exposed silver had yellowed.  That yellowed-silver colour looks right on a bike of that vintage, whereas previously hidden bluish silver looked far too modern.  I had paint mixed to the yellowed-silver (a light nickel colour) and was / am delighted with the choice.  It looks befittingly 'classic'.

So it was with my choosing a new colour for the Daimler.  What might have looked great in 1968 sort of looks odd in 2024 ( yep I know, but as a former designer I still have to live with myself !).  What sense is there in spending all that money ..and full resprays are expensive ! , and then not be quite happy with the final colour ! ?

I went to the paint supplier in Colchester, and from colour names and sample cards, I selected five colours of gold to be mixed as 100ml samples.  My friend Mathew has sprayed these onto Triumph Spitfire door panels. And just this Monday i drove up to Norfolk to make my final selection. . .

The first two I rejected were both Jaguar colours. One was the aforementioned 'opalescent golden sand' ..which i thought would still look good on an F-type., and the other was like a tarnished copper colour, which I thought would look fabulous on an XK120 or a Triumph TR2. 

Now shortlisted to three colours / tones to choose from  . . .

 

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In the sun, laid down, and then stood up, turned different angles to the sun, seen when cloudy, and again when placed in the shade next to a dark grey car. Reflected colours, like blue skies and fresh green grass, can really effect the final effect.  

The sample mixes of paint cost £40, in addition to the (common) primer and clear coat, plus my friend Mathew's time in painting them for me (he supplied the old door panels).   

As my father used to say ;  'you're big enough & ugly enough to make your own decisions'  and so I made my choice according to what I feel will look good on the curves of this particular car, with those red seats and the walnut dashboard.  There's no right nor wrong.  It's simply the customer's own choice. 

When driving Katie  around I've noted that the very sight of her on the roads is appreciated by onlookers.  The Daimler is a wholly different lady, which is being dressed for the ball. 

To reiterate.. I'd say to you 'chose what you like best, on that particular car'.

Pete

 

 

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I would Bondarust as a first couple of coats for rust protection (Factory did the same with what was available back then) then 2k prime and then paint. Up to you on the colour change

Stuart. 

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