JohnG Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Propose to fit these to my refurbished steel wheels. I understand that they offer a close approximation to the original size fitted Thoughts? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stuart Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Propose to fit these to my refurbished steel wheels. I understand that they offer a close approximation to the original size fitted Thoughts? Been running them for years (Yokohamas) Stuart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Fremont Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Hi John, I've got these on my driver in Michelin Pilot Exalto. They've done about 40K miles and are in play for replacement. They are actually a little smaller in diameter than the 165-15 originals, but close enough. The problem with 195s is the tread doesn't touch the pavement at least 1/2" in from the edge with inflation to 27 psi. Also, the choices for 195/65 don't include the highest performing models ( mine are " All Season " ). I'm thinking to go with Michelin XWX 185/70-15s next time round because I've got 6" wide wheels, and 185s are the minimum width recommended. These are dead ringers for diameter, and though terribly expensive I expect them to be superior to the rest of the field. I've got Michelin 185-15 XAS on my show car and they absolutely smoked everything else I've had on it since 1976, Michelin Redlines, Pirelli, Avon, Dunlop and now the Pilots ( all before its extreme makeover; circa 100K miles with about 20K on the XAS tyres ). Regrettably the 185s are NLS, though 180s and 165s are available. If I had 5-1/2" wheels I'd go with the 165-15 Michelin XAS, damn the price. Original size, period correct and have no peer IMO. Cheers, Tom Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ntc Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Been running them for years (Yokohamas) Stuart. +1 on both cars. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mike K Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Re: they offer a close approximation to the original size... I calculate they have a very slightly smaller circumference than the fitted originals but so slight that it makes next to no difference at the speedo - something like a 1.3mph understatement at 70mph - and, lets face it, the chance of the speedo being accurate is a tad optimistic anyway, so nothing lost. Given that, I gave up on the (expensive) idea of matching the original size and changed to 195/65 R15 which opens up a much wider range to choose from and at a much lower cost. Went for Goodyear Efficient Grip Performance in the end - grippy and 'cheap' and look just fine. Happy. Mike. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlueTR3A-5EKT Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Re: they offer a close approximation to the original size... I calculate they have a very slightly smaller circumference than the fitted originals but so slight that it makes next to no difference at the speedo - something like a 1.3mph understatement at 70mph - and, lets face it, the chance of the speedo being accurate is a tad optimistic anyway, so nothing lost. Given that, I gave up on the (expensive) idea of matching the original size and changed to 195/65 R15 which opens up a much wider range to choose from and at a much lower cost. Went for Goodyear Efficient Grip Performance in the end - grippy and 'cheap' and look just fine. Happy. Mike. Here is a comparison for tyre sizes http://www.etyres.co.uk/how-to-change-your-tyre-size/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dennis Devon Group Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 The dimensional data for car tyres shows the 165 R 15 has a RC of 1970 mm, the same 1970 mm is a 205/65 R 15. The 195/65 ZR has a RC of 1930 mm, if that helps. Dennis Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MostEasterlySteve Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Re: they offer a close approximation to the original size... I calculate they have a very slightly smaller circumference than the fitted originals but so slight that it makes next to no difference at the speedo.... Mike. Very slight? One look at a 195/65 wheel/tyre combo against 165/80s will show you it is not that slight. The closest match to the rolling circumference of the originals is 185/70. But like 165s the selection of decent tyres is much smaller. I went from long term 195/65 use to 165/80s. The car is far nicer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
peejay4A Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 I went the opposite way with the same outcome and cornering is transformed. Plus the car looks a lot better imo. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Motorsport Mickey Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 165 Tyres = handling rather than grip, just what the car was designed to do. Mick Richards Quote Link to post Share on other sites
brian -r Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 (edited) Today found issue with 195/65tyres the spare won't fit in the boot if you have a new replacement Moss tank b!!!!er. Brian. Edited December 14, 2016 by brian -r Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jean Posted December 18, 2016 Report Share Posted December 18, 2016 I had two sets of 195/65 15 for my cars, one from Pirelly and one from Goodyear both on light alloy wheels. I marked them to mesure the circumference by rolling them on the driveway. They showed quite a difference in circumference. I heard about this, but had to check to believe ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
matttnz Posted December 18, 2016 Report Share Posted December 18, 2016 I couldn't find any 185 or 195/65 tyres locally so in the end went for some 195/70/15s from yokohama that have been v good (although the grip v handling may have put some unfortunate strain on my rear shock tower...) Rolling circ is 1990mm which is a little closer to stock than the 65s and they fill the arches out nicely, don't rub at the front and stop the wheelbarrow mufflers scraping so much. Just my $0.02 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PaulAA Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 I couldn't find any 185 or 195/65 tyres locally so in the end went for some 195/70/15s from yokohama that have been v good (although the grip v handling may have put some unfortunate strain on my rear shock tower...) Rolling circ is 1990mm which is a little closer to stock than the 65s and they fill the arches out nicely, don't rub at the front and stop the wheelbarrow mufflers scraping so much. Just my $0.02 Exactly what I have on mine, for similar reasons. The car is driven with gusto on public roads, but rarely at its limits and the improvement in wet weather performance, compared to the repro red-lines that the car came with, is enormous. Circumference is almost identical to the 185s that the US cars were delivered with (and it fills the wheel arch pleasingly). I would also like to believe that the marginal increase in wall height also gives me a proportionate increase in protection against the unforeseen potholes we seem unable to get rid of here. Paul Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Denis Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 Unless you race you don't need wider tyres! Today's modern 165 tyres offer far superior grip & handling qualities to what was originally available 40 years ago from the original 165 tyres. (I've had my car 44 years so I do remember) Wider tyres put unnecessary strain & loads on original components especially stub axles, trunnions, hubs, UJ's etc, not to mention 40 year old chassis! And your insurance company should be told if you're using nonstandard equipment? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mark69 Posted April 26, 2017 Report Share Posted April 26, 2017 Been running them for years (Yokohamas) Stuart. What size do you run?Mark Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stuart Posted April 27, 2017 Report Share Posted April 27, 2017 What size do you run? Mark 195/65/15 Yokohama Cdrive. good tyres and available for around £199 set of 4 landed from Ebay. Stuart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Fremont Posted April 27, 2017 Report Share Posted April 27, 2017 Michelin Pilot Exalto 195/65s now replaced with these, giving much improvement in steering ( lighter, more precise ) with grip greater than or equal to XAS ( so at the top of the heap ). Made in Serbia, the price has dropped $100 per. Still expensive, but if you really want the best... Michelin XWX 185/70 VR 15 Cheers, Tom Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cp25616 Posted April 27, 2017 Report Share Posted April 27, 2017 Had 195/65/HR 15 tyres on my TR6 when I bought it and have to say they are not a patch on Michelin XAS 165/80/15 HR. They were taken off and XAS installed. Result was a far better car to steer and a much nicer car to drive. I can sell you am set of 195/65/15 if you want? Alan G Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mark69 Posted April 28, 2017 Report Share Posted April 28, 2017 Thanks Stuart, Ordered a set of 5, await there arrival Mark Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ShaunC Posted April 29, 2017 Report Share Posted April 29, 2017 I have 195's fitted and a 165 as a spare. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Motorsport Mickey Posted April 29, 2017 Report Share Posted April 29, 2017 I have 195's fitted and a 165 as a spare. Be aware if you use the spare you're illegal, contravenes "Construction and Use" regulations, wheels and tyres have to be the same size on either side of an axle (or sides of the car) unless it's a space saver approved by the manufacturer. Mick Richards Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alec Pringle Posted April 29, 2017 Report Share Posted April 29, 2017 And of course you are uninsured . . . . . Cheers Alec Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ShaunC Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 Does that mean I shouldn't run 195's if the car was not intended to use that size? Is it acceptable to run alloys and steel rims (i.e. The spare is on a steel)? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alec Pringle Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 Alloy and steel rims of the same diameter and width are acceptable as a mix, but different diameter and/or width on the same axle is acceptable only if specified by the vehicle manufacturer as an OE 'space saver' option - limited to 50mph and marked as such. The same logic applies to tyres, you can't mix widths on the same axle unless an OE option etc. Hence running 195 one side and 165 the other contravenes Construction & Use Regulations, and therefore invalidates insurance. Cheers Alec Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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