GT6M Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 this looks like a v v rare offering, if only it were fora sixppot. mebe get some of you ladds droooling at the mouth sides!! http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/141534067409?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2648&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT M Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mike3739 Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 I spotted it also. Cheers Mike Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlueTR3A-5EKT Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 so how do you get the coolant in and out? Jolly looking item, you'd win in the paddock alone. Peter W Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GT6M Posted January 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 (edited) so how do you get the coolant in and out? Jolly looking item, you'd win in the paddock alone. Peter W Likely with hoses / pipes ,!!! hee hee go on, ye no ye want it!! Its much moer tech than the Alloy heed Moss did ,or still dooing !! a few years ago. M Edited January 8, 2015 by GT6M Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chilliman Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 Really? - Ugly looking door stop Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Peter Cobbold Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 Crossflow: wont the inlet manifold/carbs clash with the disy for space? or does the disy fit under the exhaust manifold? Cant see how the standard cam and row of pushrods can be made to fit - was it ohc? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ntc Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 Really? - Ugly looking door stop Yep That is what they ended up being. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stuart Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 Yep good door stops :lol: :lol: Stuart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GT6M Posted January 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 Have you seen it before Neil,!! Peter, I aint, but would imagine it works on a cross rocker set up, like some of the BMW engines or Alfa engines of olde M Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ntc Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 M Yep seen one moons ago,it's lack of success is well documented . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
graeme Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 Here is a photo of Paul Hogans cyl. head on display at 2013 IWE show. Cheers Graeme Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GT6M Posted January 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 Can you point me in directionee of the info Neil. Strange how some thing that looks the biz, turns out not to be !! Any one no if the Alloy heeds Moss were flogg,n a while back were any good!! M Quote Link to post Share on other sites
snowric Posted January 9, 2015 Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 I am sure that Gareth will have made a much better version. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stuart Posted January 9, 2015 Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 Can you point me in directionee of the info Neil. Strange how some thing that looks the biz, turns out not to be !! Any one no if the Alloy heeds Moss were flogg,n a while back were any good!! M If you do a search on here then you will find it discussed in great detail, the Moss ally heads are fine for a road car but not as good for competition purposes. Stuart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Graham Robson Posted January 9, 2015 Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 (edited) A brief technical summary - Lawrencetune, introduced in August 1963 (THE AUTOCAR, page 352, 23 August 1963, has a description and a cross-sectional drawing), light alloy, with design work by Blydenstein.. Although I was running the 'works' TR4s at the time, I had no previous knowledge of such a project, and had not, repeat not, been approached by Lawrencetune. Further, even after this, Lawrencetune made no effort to get it looked at, tested, tried in cars, or made available as an optional item. I never heard of any car - TR or Morgan - which had a successful installation, which might explain why it was a commercial failure. Lawrencetune claimed 154bhp for a race-version of the 2-litre engine. To confirm a previous query - it retained the standard camshaft position, combining it with a BMW/Bristol type of cross-push-rod layout, of one long rocker (exhaust side) and one short 'reversed' rocker (inlet side), the valves been opposed at a total of 60 degrees. Hon. Pres. Edited January 9, 2015 by Graham Robson Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tr4Tony Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 And more to the point the 87 mm 4 cylinder engine can now be made to produce close to 220 bhp using the MOSS / TRR SDF cast iron head, so frankly why bother ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
McMuttley Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 220 bhp - ooooooohhhhhhhj Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 ....dream on Austin.... Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ntc Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 All you need is £££££££££££££££ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chilliman Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 And more to the point the 87 mm 4 cylinder engine can now be made to produce close to 220 bhp using the MOSS / TRR SDF cast iron head, so frankly why bother ... Flippin heck Tony - I was aiming for 135 at the back end on the one I'm currently building - now I'm suffering from a case of horsepower envy! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Ashworth Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 And don't forget to upgrade the drive train with lots more money. Great to have the option though. Dave. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andy Downes Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 Hello All, I think this is a really intriguing item, sure it was no commercial success and somewhat tempermental - but can you blame the guys for trying (and putting their money where their mouths were) Lawrence did get it to work and it was an interesting exercise if a short-lived one. It had a few decent results (according to what I've read) both in the LawrenceTune Morgans and also the Dangerfield Triumph SLR at Goodwood in 1966. I've been looking to see one in the flesh for many years, can anybody put me in touch with Paul Hogan please, and what is the IWE show ? I'd be interested in any comments (good or bad) from anyone with direct experience of this head, or indeed had dealings with Lawrence himself. All engineers/designers have successes and failures and Lawrence certainly had plenty of both - I know he was no saint but if you read anything of his autobiography he certainly packed his years with interesting projects and escapades Finally I really enjoy reading these TR forums, informative and entertaining, what more could you want ! Have Fun Andy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
McMuttley Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 Should this topic not be posted to the 'womens' section of the Forum Quote Link to post Share on other sites
graeme Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Hello All, I think this is a really intriguing item, sure it was no commercial success and somewhat tempermental - but can you blame the guys for trying (and putting their money where their mouths were) Lawrence did get it to work and it was an interesting exercise if a short-lived one. It had a few decent results (according to what I've read) both in the LawrenceTune Morgans and also the Dangerfield Triumph SLR at Goodwood in 1966. I've been looking to see one in the flesh for many years, can anybody put me in touch with Paul Hogan please, and what is the IWE show ? I'd be interested in any comments (good or bad) from anyone with direct experience of this head, or indeed had dealings with Lawrence himself. All engineers/designers have successes and failures and Lawrence certainly had plenty of both - I know he was no saint but if you read anything of his autobiography he certainly packed his years with interesting projects and escapades Finally I really enjoy reading these TR forums, informative and entertaining, what more could you want ! Have Fun Andy Andy, The International Week End (IWE) is the TR Register's big annual show usually held in July at Malvern showground. To contact Paul Hogan, I suggest you PM him here on the Forum. Cheers Graeme Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ianc Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 The 2015 IWE will be at the Three Counties Showground, Malvern, 7th-9th August. 'Racing' Reg Woodcock has one of these heads, but told me he would never fit it as he could achieve more with his engine. I have attached a reprint of an article in the Autocar (23/8/63). I seem to recall that some machining of the block is required to allow for the inclination of the pushrods, which lie at an angle to the vertical. Ian Cornish Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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