ntc Posted October 20, 2023 Report Share Posted October 20, 2023 4 hours ago, marko said: I don't think so Phil, I've had a couple of Peter's cars - His cars were restored (nut & bolt) to a much higher standard, under the wheel arches and the chassis would never have been plastered in thick underseal like that if Peter would have done it. Yep definitely not a lightweight model I wonder what it is hiding? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PGB BME Posted October 20, 2023 Report Share Posted October 20, 2023 Hi Mark, hope your well, retirement!!!, some of us can only dream Off My mistake then, I know Pete did his in jasmine, I saw it a few times during the resto, I was going on the age related plate, I’ve seen that somewhere locally. Phil Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malbaby Posted October 20, 2023 Report Share Posted October 20, 2023 Apart from the price....and the red brake drums As others have stated this was not a body off restoration. IMHO...I cannot see any point in buying a 250, when I can buy a much better car for less money. All that underseal would put me off....cannot have been removed during restoration...possibly added to or just painted over... Chassis pics would be helpful. One obvious body problem...the bottom of the boot lid to body gap is not correct. There are not any good pics of the door gaps...on one pic the driver's side rear bottom seems smaller. Only a minor thing, the brake/clutch lines in the engine bay are not neatly done. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andy Moltu Posted October 20, 2023 Report Share Posted October 20, 2023 On 10/19/2023 at 2:50 PM, TR NIALL said: Yes but the Wheel Arch has to be taking some of the Shock/Load. Arguably that conversion adds bracing to the body. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Neilson Posted October 21, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2023 I’ve negotiated a deal at £29k, as I know it wasn’t worth £39k. If I had that budget, I’d definitely get a TR5. I didn’t think £29k was too bad, and I’m getting some further images tomorrow, which I’ll post. I’ll go and look at it with an independent, and if the chassis or anything else looks bad, I can still walk away and carry on looking. I’m learning a lot from being in the forum, so thanks all, as I’m starting to get a much better idea of what I’m looking for. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John Morrison Posted October 21, 2023 Report Share Posted October 21, 2023 Excellent Neil, you seem to be in control of the Heart v Head thing - that will stand you well. John. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Neilson Posted October 21, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2023 3 hours ago, John Morrison said: Excellent Neil, you seem to be in control of the Heart v Head thing - that will stand you well. John. Thanks John, as long as I find one by next Spring, I’ll be happy - haha! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Boyd Posted October 21, 2023 Report Share Posted October 21, 2023 On 10/20/2023 at 5:34 AM, PGB BME said: Isn’t that car the one P Moffat restored? Phil Hi Phil, No, it's not one of Moffat's cars This was built by Bill and Tom from Notts Tom Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Neilson Posted October 21, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2023 (edited) Okay seller has sent me images from folder… Edited October 21, 2023 by Neilson Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Neilson Posted October 21, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2023 Apparently this is just a few images, the file is really extensive. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PGB BME Posted October 21, 2023 Report Share Posted October 21, 2023 2 hours ago, Tom Boyd said: Hi Phil, No, it's not one of Moffat's cars This was built by Bill and Tom from Notts Tom Tom Yes, Pete’s is PKH 506F Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Neilson Posted October 22, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2023 There is a lot of rust here, far more than I was expecting. Surely that would have needed new floors, sills and full on chassis repair if possible. I guess my concern is - was the car covered in underseal to hide this? I’ll ask the seller for some current shots of the chassis. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John Morrison Posted October 22, 2023 Report Share Posted October 22, 2023 Hi Neil, these taken in the USA, before the trip home and the refurb? Because ;- If Yes then you need to ascertain the level of the workmanship to fix, and we still haven't had a decent shot of the Achilles heal, the chassis especially around the rear. ....and if No, its not as good a car as the TR4 you walked away from. John. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Neilson Posted October 22, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2023 (edited) 14 hours ago, John Morrison said: Hi Neil, these taken in the USA, before the trip home and the refurb? Because ;- If Yes then you need to ascertain the level of the workmanship to fix, and we still haven't had a decent shot of the Achilles heal, the chassis especially around the rear. ....and if No, its not as good a car as the TR4 you walked away from. John. Thanks John, apologies, I should have pointed out these were pre- restoration. I went back to the seller earlier today and he’s assured me it’s had a full restoration and is like new underneath. And yes, these were taken in the US, before resto work started. He’s going to send me some images once they have it on the ramp. I’ll post once I receive them. Thank you Neil Edited October 23, 2023 by Neilson Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ntc Posted October 24, 2023 Report Share Posted October 24, 2023 On 10/22/2023 at 7:52 PM, Neilson said: Thanks John, apologies, I should have pointed out these were pre- restoration. I went back to the seller earlier today and he’s assured me it’s had a full restoration and is like new underneath. And yes, these were taken in the US, before resto work started. He’s going to send me some images once they have it on the ramp. I’ll post once I receive them. Thank you Neil If it is like new why is the black **** sprayed underneath? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Neilson Posted October 24, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2023 37 minutes ago, ntc said: If it is like new why is the black **** sprayed underneath? That is the question. I’m going to ask them, but I now know that the restorer’s only did what they were asked, which was to sort out what they could. They never stripped the chassis, so I’m guessing the underseal is hiding something. It’s being independently looked at in the next few days, so I’ll post an update. Thanks Neil Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Neilson Posted October 26, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2023 Hi all, here are the images of the underneath… Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Phil Kirk Posted October 26, 2023 Report Share Posted October 26, 2023 Hi, Neil, Sorry, but just to much under seal for my liking. Begs the question why so much on a restored car and what is it hiding? Cheers Phil Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Neilson Posted October 26, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2023 6 minutes ago, Phil Kirk said: Hi, Neil, Sorry, but just to much under seal for my liking. Begs the question why so much on a restored car and what is it hiding? Cheers Phil Thanks Phil, thanks for the advice Neil Quote Link to post Share on other sites
trchris Posted October 26, 2023 Report Share Posted October 26, 2023 (edited) I’ve seen worse sometimes it’s easier to go over old underseal than to completely remove as long as all is sound underneath the only way you can satisfy yourself is to physically look and have a good poke around that way you can be satisfied that it’s sound. I wouldn’t be put off but just be careful many many tr’s are covered with underseal ,wax,oil doesn’t put them in the DONT touch with a barge pole category you don’t drive them looking at the underneath do you ! But that’s my opinion everyone has their own but if it’s a nut and bolt restoration then yes I’d expect the underside to be excellent as well Chris Edited October 26, 2023 by trchris Quote Link to post Share on other sites
marko Posted October 26, 2023 Report Share Posted October 26, 2023 Neil, What you've got to ask yourself 100% seriously is......Is this a £30,000 car that has had a "full nut & bolt" restoration - as they've described it on the website! Regards Mark Quote Link to post Share on other sites
elclem1 Posted October 26, 2023 Report Share Posted October 26, 2023 1 hour ago, marko said: Neil, What you've got to ask yourself 100% seriously is......Is this a £30,000 car that has had a "full nut & bolt" restoration - as they've described it on the website! Regards Mark I must say i agree with Marko. A good test would be to put it on a 2 post lift raise it up and open both doors. It looks ok underneath but i would want to see body colour or at worst clear wax oil over body colour. Its personal preference. But if you like it who actually cares. You will be the one who has to maybe put things right over time. Enjoy the journey Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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