JohnG Posted August 15, 2023 Report Share Posted August 15, 2023 On 8/6/2023 at 1:37 PM, SuzanneH said: If I said who the purchasers were you would call me racist. Don't be so sure There are a lot of realists here The last Grade II listed building to burn down here, was admittedly, a long time ago but, recently sold, new owner not of Western European ancestry, on holiday abroad and old building, standing in the way of a large profit, goes up in flames . . . . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SuzanneH Posted August 15, 2023 Report Share Posted August 15, 2023 1 hour ago, JohnG said: Don't be so sure There are a lot of realists here The last Grade II listed building to burn down here, was admittedly, a long time ago but, recently sold, new owner not of Western European ancestry, on holiday abroad and old building, standing in the way of a large profit, goes up in flames . . . . John i phrased my reply so that the Woke’s on here are not able to call me Racist, as they usually do, when I speak the truth….! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
john.r.davies Posted August 15, 2023 Report Share Posted August 15, 2023 As woke as you like, Suzanne, but the Wokes' Parish Magazine is digging the dirt on this case! It's finds that the new owners of the Crooked House have got previous: https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2023/aug/11/other-plans-crooked-house-owners-anger-midlands-ate-farms John Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SuzanneH Posted August 15, 2023 Report Share Posted August 15, 2023 52 minutes ago, john.r.davies said: As woke as you like, Suzanne, but the Wokes' Parish Magazine is digging the dirt on this case! It's finds that the new owners of the Crooked House have got previous: https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2023/aug/11/other-plans-crooked-house-owners-anger-midlands-ate-farms John Yes I know. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Colin Symonds Posted August 17, 2023 Report Share Posted August 17, 2023 (edited) Unexplained fires in properties that are ripe for development, especially if listed, is nothing new. That's why the fire service and insurance companies have specialist investigators. There used to be a gang in London who offered a bespoke arson service. Edited August 17, 2023 by Colin Symonds Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Charlie D Posted February 27 Report Share Posted February 27 (edited) Today's news seems to be that the owners now have an enforcement order placed on them to REBUILD the Crooked House pub. They have a month to appeal. Edited February 27 by Charlie D Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ianc Posted February 28 Report Share Posted February 28 But quite a number of bricks and other items were taken as souvenirs shortly after the vandals demolished the pub, so there might be some difficulties restoring the building to its original, crooked, state. Ian Cornish Quote Link to post Share on other sites
john.r.davies Posted February 28 Report Share Posted February 28 Newspaper reports the local group who protested the demolition "have all the bricks in some goods containers. A few missing would be easily replaced. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ianc Posted February 29 Report Share Posted February 29 That's good news, John, but finding matching old bricks is not always easy because they were often made very close to the site of use, and using clay dug right there. There's also the matter of the original timbers. Keep fingers crossed that the local authority will sit hard on the company concerned to ensure that everything is properly reinstated - including the correct lean! Ian Cornish Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ian Vincent Posted March 1 Report Share Posted March 1 I suspect the company that was responsible for the demolition will just declare itself bankrupt. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Charlie D Posted March 1 Report Share Posted March 1 I don't know how the law works in these situations, but one report I read says that if the "Building" is sold, ( because of the owners going bankrupt or whatever) whoever buys it still has to comply with the rebuilding order. I also read that the order was taken out against the company AND the directors personally. Whatever happens it will be a few years until a pint is pulled in the pub. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ianc Posted March 1 Report Share Posted March 1 I thought I had read that the Local Authority has given those responsible 3 years to complete reinstatement - let's hope that the LA keeps tabs on progress. And that other idiots contemplating such actions take due note and think twice before vandalising buildings. Ian Cornish Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted March 1 Report Share Posted March 1 In West London torching a building after a recent purchase is the norm. Can't get planning permission - no problem - just burn it down and start anew. Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lebro Posted March 1 Report Share Posted March 1 I don't see how it can be re-built as it was, as it would have to comply with modern building regulations. That would require an architect to design a new structure to look like the old building, but using modern materials. Can't see it happening myself. Bob Quote Link to post Share on other sites
john.r.davies Posted March 1 Report Share Posted March 1 We have a similar problem in Lancaster - hasn't got so far as demolition but that looks like where the owners are aiming: https://www.lancasterguardian.co.uk/news/national/court-orders-reinstatement-of-28-sash-windows-at-derelict-landmark-lancaster-building-4535925 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RobH Posted March 1 Report Share Posted March 1 1 hour ago, Lebro said: don't see how it can be re-built as it was, Can't see it happening myself. There is precedence - here is one case and there are more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlton_Tavern Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harlequin Posted March 1 Report Share Posted March 1 4 hours ago, Lebro said: I don't see how it can be re-built as it was, as it would have to comply with modern building regulations. That would require an architect to design a new structure to look like the old building, but using modern materials. Can't see it happening myself. Bob I think the main aim is to give the owner/perpetrators so much grief and financial problems that it will set an example for budding "developers" to encourage them to resist the urge to reach for the Swan Vestas. George Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlueTR3A-5EKT Posted March 1 Report Share Posted March 1 4 hours ago, harlequin said: I think the main aim is to give the owner/perpetrators so much grief and financial problems that it will set an example for budding "developers" to encourage them to resist the urge to reach for the Swan Vestas. George It will get taken into public ownership and the next administration will squander our pensions on a very white elephant. I guess the money saved from HS2 will have to be spent somewhere, and as the pub was in the north, compared to Surrey, it is a tick in the ‘levelling up” box. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harlequin Posted March 2 Report Share Posted March 2 13 hours ago, BlueTR3A-5EKT said: It will get taken into public ownership and the next administration will squander our pensions on a very white elephant. I guess the money saved from HS2 will have to be spent somewhere, and as the pub was in the north, compared to Surrey, it is a tick in the ‘levelling up” box. You are probably right, but the fuss and cost to the owner plus the collapse of his get rich quick scheme will hopefully discourage others. As for the cost to the public, the idiots that run the show would squander the money anyway so getting back a pub is a plus George Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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