Tesla delivers 83000 cars in one month

[BlueTR3A-5EKT]

Am I reading this right?

That’s the total production of sidescreen cars 1953-1961

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-sells-record-china-made-vehicles-september-following-shanghai-factory-2022-10-09/

[ianc]

If they were all connected to chargers at the same time, that should cause electricity blackouts!

Ian Cornish

[BlueTR3A-5EKT]

That is another point.  
Is the electrical infrastructure sufficient to cope?  

Or will the smart meter just throttle your amperage supply?

[DaveB66]

Signs that the national grid won't cope - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-63204753

[Mick Forey]

On 10/11/2022 at 10:50 AM, ianc said:

If they were all connected to chargers at the same time, that should cause electricity blackouts!

If they were bidirectional chargers, that can be remotely managed by the grid operator then they can be used for grid management i.e. charge the EVs when renewable energy exceeds grid demand plus discharge them back into the grid to manage peak loads: a very large battery. Cars are stationary for 93% of their life. Some utility companies in the US are already doing this on a small scale using both EVs and home battery storage. Tesla offers this in the UK with their home battery storage but so far have resisted the use of their EVs in this way as they wish to sell more Powerwall home batteries. Various energy and distribution companies have trials running in the UK with Nissan EVs. Early days but has a huge opportunity.

The UK National Grid has stated on many occasions that the infrastructure can handle the transition to 100% EVs. Doing the maths is easy even Forbes agrees: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2021/11/13/electricity-grids-can-handle-electric-vehicles-easily--they-just-need-proper-management/?sh=426e69547862. Bidirectional charging will make the grids far easier to manage, than the old ways to handle 30 million kettles going on a half time. Some pundits have even postulated this as another good reason to drive even faster adoption of EVs.

Mick

[Peter Cobbold]

On 10/11/2022 at 11:36 AM, DaveB66 said:

Signs that the national grid won't cope - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-63204753

There are large areas of Wales where the grid is "full". So any expectation of rapidly installing thousands of wind turbines will be stalled by lack of grid capacity.

[PodOne]

As usual literally a half baked policy to ban the sale of new diesel and petrol by cars 2030 before the infrastructure is no where truly available and the cost of changing, reduced range and the shear hassle of charging the car away from home isn't exactly an attractive proposition either unless you tow around your own personal wind turbine! Personally I feel we are been led down the garden path with are pants down. Greener at present to keep your old fossil car on the road for as long as possible but no doubt you will be penalised for it what ever the evidence. No money in keeping these on the road when the manufactures can charge more for a poorer car in terms of range etc.

Predict even if we are completely electric then the loss in fuel revenue will see an alternative way of taxing your freedom of movement to travel will be found and if you can't afford it then you're stuck to rot at home to burn the furniture to keep warm.

Just come home from holiday in Crete and never saw a single electric car or charging point on our travels and I can't help feeling we are carrying the can for a lot of euro countries where there seems to be no motivation or interest in changing anytime soon and I suspect much later than 2050 if ever. Oh and no hose pipe or any water restrictions despite being one very dry island something desperately wrong somewhere.

Andy

[Bleednipple]

12 hours ago, PodOne said:

Predict even if we are completely electric then the loss in fuel revenue will see an alternative way of taxing your freedom of movement to travel will be found and if you can't afford it then you're stuck to rot at home to burn the furniture to keep warm.

Well as fuel duty (plus VAT thereon) raises about £30 bn a year, that's going to have to be replaced with something.

As William Hague wrote in (IMO) a good piece in The Times this week, governments of whatever stripe are going to find that reducing the size of the state is practically impossible: "In the 2020s, we have a health service with seven million people on its post-lockdown waiting lists, a larger than ever pensioner population who demand triple-lock increases, debt interest soaring and defence spending necessarily rising as a war on our own continent intensifies. Even if every sinew is strained to reduce other expenditure, those four items alone mean there will be no smaller state in the foreseeable future. Having tested to destruction the idea that a low-tax revolution can allow a breakout from that reality, Conservatives will now need to turn to new ideas for the future."

(Apols for going slightly off topic with that but I thought it was an intelligent observation by the Yorkshire Mekon that goes beyond raw party politics.)

Simply putting taxes on electricity use will however be very difficult for a range of reasons so there will need to be a shift to a different way of taxing car travel. If using some kind of road pricing, I'd expect classic cars will fall through the net. So don't throw away that TR!

Nigel

 

[PodOne]

4 minutes ago, Bleednipple said:

Well as fuel duty (plus VAT thereon) raises about £30 bn a year, that's going to have to be replaced with something.

As William Hague wrote in (IMO) a good piece in The Times this week, governments of whatever stripe are going to find that reducing the size of the state is practically impossible: "In the 2020s, we have a health service with seven million people on its post-lockdown waiting lists, a larger than ever pensioner population who demand triple-lock increases, debt interest soaring and defence spending necessarily rising as a war on our own continent intensifies. Even if every sinew is strained to reduce other expenditure, those four items alone mean there will be no smaller state in the foreseeable future. Having tested to destruction the idea that a low-tax revolution can allow a breakout from that reality, Conservatives will now need to turn to new ideas for the future."

(Apols for going slightly off topic with that but I thought it was an intelligent observation by the Yorkshire Mekon that goes beyond raw party politics.)

Simply putting taxes on electricity use will however be very difficult for a range of reasons so there will need to be a shift to a different way of taxing car travel. If using some kind of road pricing, I'd expect classic cars will fall through the net. So don't throw away that TR!

Nigel

 

Hi Nigel

Simple way of reducing the size of the state in the long term is to reduce the size of the population and concentrate on quality of life not an impoverished existence for the masses demanding more of what little resource there is. But then that won't win any votes in the illogical race more and more economic growth at the expense of the planet its not sustainable.

Throw her away not a chance. Not even finished yet. Hoping to have her on the road next year before a tank of juice requires a wheelbarrow of notes!! 

Andy 

[Lebro]

Agreed, big elephant in the room, there are too many people on this planet, but what to do ???

Bob.

P.S.   Maybe Putin has the answer 

[Charlie D]

 

46 minutes ago, Lebro said:

Maybe Putin has the answer

Or scrap the inflation based pension increase that was promised so that pensioners will either freeze to death or die of starvation.

That will drop the population by a few million.

 

Charlie.

[PodOne]

1 hour ago, Charlie D said:

 

Or scrap the inflation based pension increase that was promised so that pensioners will either freeze to death or die of starvation.

That will drop the population by a few million.

 

Charlie.

No kidding Charlie its guaranteed a lot of older folk will perish this winter simply through the fear of putting the heating on - criminal in this day an age that older people are tossed to the wolves once they have served their purpose though working all their lives.

Never mind those running the country will no doubt be throwing another log on the fire whilst sat in their second homes in the country!

Andy

[Charlie D]

Andy,

It seems we are safe for now.

Truss has just said, in PMQ, that the triple lock WILL be honoured.

Well... That's what she said today...

Tomorrow?

Who knows.

Charlie

[PodOne]

2 hours ago, Lebro said:

Agreed, big elephant in the room, there are too many people on this planet, but what to do ???

Bob.

P.S.   Maybe Putin has the answer 

Could start by offering any UN or government aid linked to birth control when famine strikes which is often linked to civil war driven by foreign arms sales which should be stoped. 

The West should as China tried a two and eventually one child policy based on incentives "stick and carrot". China's attempt failed as they would rather have the workforce to drive again the demon of economic growth when the reality is they can't feed their own population without using their financial clout to buy the food abroad at the cost of the planet. Not helped by the Wests desire either for cheaper manufacturing costs, but at what price?

China has us by the balls if it did come to a fighting war with Putin the UK would last about a month before our reserves would be gone! Never mind we could always break out the bows and arrows!

Andy

[Mick Forey]

3 hours ago, PodOne said:

China's attempt failed

"China’s total fertility rate (births per woman) was 2.6 in the late 1980s – well above the 2.1 needed to replace deaths. It has been between 1.6 and 1.7 since 1994, and slipped to 1.3 in 2020 and just 1.15 in 2021." World Economic Forum. China's population is forecast to shrink rapidly over the next few decades. Younger Chinese are enjoying the wealthy lifestyle and no longer want kids, just like western Europe.  India will soon overtake it as the world's most populous nation. 

Mick

[barkerwilliams]

How long before pensioners are seen as the problem?

Taking up a large percentage of the Health Service, the housing stock, the cost of pensions, keeping warm by burning fossill fuels, eating the diminishing food supply, the list goes on..........

 

Alan

(a pensioner)

[james christie]

59 minutes ago, barkerwilliams said:

How long before pensioners are seen as the problem?

Initially I thought you were accusing us of being  responsable for the increasing birth rate in China 

james

[RobH]

The real problem is that politicians seem to need to have a knee-jerk response to every perceived problem (whether real or not), which strangely enough always seems to result in further expenditure or a new quango.   This is due to most of them having no idea of the real world outside their chattering circle and believing that the drivel on twitter actually is worth attention. 

Yes we need to continue to fund health, defence and social care - with appropriate oversight to ensure value for money - but perhaps they should wind back on everything else and make people take more responsibility for themselves. 

The energy deficiency in this country has been entirely generated by the insane policy of 'net zero' .  This is pointless, useless and suicidal.  If people die as a result, the blame can be squarely placed at the door of parliament. 

Edited October 19, 2022 by RobH

[kiwican]

On 10/19/2022 at 2:06 AM, Lebro said:

Agreed, big elephant in the room, there are too many people on this planet, but what to do ???

Bob.

P.S.   Maybe Putin has the answer 

Maybe Covid was nature's the solution to over population, but science got in the way:)

It sure was a missed opportunity to raise the IQ of this country (USA that is)

Simon

[Lebro]

TRouble is our medical science is defeating natural selection.

Bob

[PodOne]

3 hours ago, Lebro said:

TRouble is our medical science is defeating natural selection.

Bob

Hi Bob

Eventually a virus or bacteria will outrun the science as we apply higher an higher selection pressure they will invariably get stronger and more difficult to treat - resistance is futile!

In some ways there are already such pathogens such as Ebola virus which some suspect was the cause of the plagues of the Middle Ages rather than Yesenia Pestis. So far it's been contained. Just. Who knows what might jump across the species barrier I'm surprised bird flue hasn't quite made it yet. At some point what birds are left will have natural immunity and the virus will be looking for a new host possibly lingering in your Sunday roast or partially cooked runny egg!

Andy