roger murray-evans Posted September 8, 2020 Report Share Posted September 8, 2020 There you go then. Another myth busted!! Roger M-E Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iain Posted September 8, 2020 Report Share Posted September 8, 2020 The range between Commission number, Engine number and EB number for my car is no more than 374. Two of the numbers are very close. Iain Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iain Posted September 8, 2020 Report Share Posted September 8, 2020 On 8/29/2020 at 8:31 AM, Ralph Whitaker said: No body number was recorded in the factory records (according to Heritage Certificate), so I assume the factory did not place much importance on it, probably just used for internal reference until the commission no had been allocated. Ralph this is not correct for my car, the body number is clearly referred to on the Heritage Certificate and the Standard Register supplied by Bill P and now Mike Ellis. The number not recorded was the EB number. Iain Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ian Vincent Posted September 8, 2020 Report Share Posted September 8, 2020 2 hours ago, iain said: Ralph this is not correct for my car, the body number is clearly referred to on the Heritage Certificate and the Standard Register supplied by Bill P and now Mike Ellis. The number not recorded was the EB number. Iain Ditto. Rgds Ian Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ralph Whitaker Posted September 9, 2020 Report Share Posted September 9, 2020 13 hours ago, iain said: Ralph this is not correct for my car, the body number is clearly referred to on the Heritage Certificate and the Standard Register supplied by Bill P and now Mike Ellis. The number not recorded was the EB number. Iain I believe the records for the later TR3a are not complete, which might be why on my Heritage certificate it states "not recorded" for the body number. Ralph. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
David Owen Posted September 9, 2020 Report Share Posted September 9, 2020 6 hours ago, Ralph Whitaker said: I believe the records for the later TR3a are not complete, which might be why on my Heritage certificate it states "not recorded" for the body number. Ralph. My Heritage cert. also said "Not Recorded" However, Mike Ellis's report from the Standard Register had the bod shell number and the exact date the car came off the production line. Money well spent. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ralph Whitaker Posted September 10, 2020 Report Share Posted September 10, 2020 (edited) 17 hours ago, David Owen said: My Heritage cert. also said "Not Recorded" However, Mike Ellis's report from the Standard Register had the bod shell number and the exact date the car came off the production line. Money well spent. I think I should contact Mike Ellis and get another cert from him. The Heritage cert has put my car as a January 1961 based purely on the despatch date of 30th Jan. Next to build date it says also "not recorded". I am fairly certain from other cars commission numbers I have seen that it is a 1960 car. I have yet to register the car, so may as well get all the info I can before applying. How can I contact Mike Ellis ? Ralph. Edited September 10, 2020 by Ralph Whitaker Additional paragraph. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iain Posted September 10, 2020 Report Share Posted September 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Ralph Whitaker said: I think I should contact Mike Ellis and get another cert from him. The Heritage cert has put my car as a January 1961 based purely on the despatch date of 30th Jan. Next to build date it says also "not recorded". I am fairly certain from other cars commission numbers I have seen that it is a 1960 car. I have yet to register the car, so may as well get all the info I can before applying. How can I contact Mike Ellis ? Ralph. Mikes details are in TRaction normally around page 3 , under Factory Trace service or something like that Iain Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ianc Posted September 10, 2020 Report Share Posted September 10, 2020 Mike's contact details on page 4 and also page 82 - Registrar for sidescreen cars. Ian Cornish Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saffrontr Posted September 10, 2020 Report Share Posted September 10, 2020 You can also email him direct from the "contact" page on this website Derek https://www.tr-register.co.uk/contact Quote Link to post Share on other sites
David Owen Posted September 10, 2020 Report Share Posted September 10, 2020 7 hours ago, Ralph Whitaker said: I think I should contact Mike Ellis and get another cert from him. The Heritage cert has put my car as a January 1961 based purely on the despatch date of 30th Jan. Next to build date it says also "not recorded". I am fairly certain from other cars commission numbers I have seen that it is a 1960 car. I have yet to register the car, so may as well get all the info I can before applying. How can I contact Mike Ellis ? Ralph. I see the details are provided already to contact Mike. FYI my Heritage Cert. had a date of production of "April 1960". Mike's info came back with March 24th, 1960 from the Standard Register. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ianc Posted September 10, 2020 Report Share Posted September 10, 2020 Am I the only one who gets the impression that Heritage Certificates are not worth the (very expensive) paper on which they are produced. Owners of sidescreen cars are fortunate that Bill Piggott and now Mike Ellis have access to accurate records. Those of us with TR4s onwards just have to hope that staff at Gaydon transcribe information accurately! Ian Cornish Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Charlie D Posted September 10, 2020 Report Share Posted September 10, 2020 Ian ,You just beat me to it! I’ve thought for a while about getting a Heritage Certificate for my 3A, but always felt that £50.00 or so was a lot of money for a piece of paper. Reading what David just said makes me wonder how accurate the bits of paper are. If one source says “April” and another says “May 24” for the same car I do now wonder if they just guess at the information. Charlie. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
David Owen Posted September 10, 2020 Report Share Posted September 10, 2020 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Charlie D said: Ian ,You just beat me to it! I’ve thought for a while about getting a Heritage Certificate for my 3A, but always felt that £50.00 or so was a lot of money for a piece of paper. Reading what David just said makes me wonder how accurate the bits of paper are. If one source says “April” and another says “May 24” for the same car I do now wonder if they just guess at the information. Charlie. The reason I paid for the Heritage Certificate is the Ontario registration system requires it in order for me to change the official registration date on my TR3A. It is registered as a 1962 which was it's in service date. It came off the line in 1960. I would like it registered as a 1960. I thought this might be useful info. Also, there was a marginal difference in production date from "April 1960" to March 24th, 1960. I think the museum is using some sort of algorithm (educated guess) to figure out dates. Edited September 10, 2020 by David Owen Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mike ellis Posted September 10, 2020 Report Share Posted September 10, 2020 14 hours ago, Ralph Whitaker said: I think I should contact Mike Ellis and get another cert from him. The Heritage cert has put my car as a January 1961 based purely on the despatch date of 30th Jan. Next to build date it says also "not recorded". I am fairly certain from other cars commission numbers I have seen that it is a 1960 car. I have yet to register the car, so may as well get all the info I can before applying. How can I contact Mike Ellis ? Ralph. Ralph, you have a PM Mike Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foster461 Posted September 10, 2020 Report Share Posted September 10, 2020 If you want the complete picture you need both the Heritage and Mike Ellis research. Yes the Heritage cert is expensive for what it is but it looks nice. Stan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ralph Whitaker Posted September 11, 2020 Report Share Posted September 11, 2020 The reason I got a Heritage certificate was that the American (californian) Title listed the cars year of manufacture as 1955 !!, and the import documents were based on this. I did not want any confusion when it came to registering so insisted that the build date was clarified before I bought the car, so the vendor obtained the Heritage cert and sent this to Customs and obtained a letter listing the commission no stating that all duties were paid. Ralph. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
David Owen Posted September 11, 2020 Report Share Posted September 11, 2020 The funny side of this is the impressive looking Museum Certificate gets bureaucrats running to correct things. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ian Vincent Posted September 11, 2020 Report Share Posted September 11, 2020 FWIW, when I tried to order a Heritage Certificate I was told that my car was one of a batch for which the factory details were unreadable so I contacted Bill Piggott at the Register and he came up with the goods. Rgds Ian Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Forest TR3A Posted September 18, 2020 Report Share Posted September 18, 2020 (edited) On 8/30/2020 at 11:10 AM, John McCormack said: I believe the EB was fixed by Mulliners and is therefore painted with the body. For my (very original, matching nos.) car +1 for that. When I cleaned the two brass tags I could see the dark red first coat under the pearl white (with another overspray in a slightly different white) on the EB tag. See pic. The body no. was not painted originally and is more corroded. My opinion: Mulliners built the body, fitted the EB tag, than painted the body. Body was delivered to Standard, Coventry, where the body was controlled and than marked with the body shell no. After the car was finished the car got it's TS ##### no. and the body shell no. was recorded in the production records under the TS ##### no., together with colour, engine no. etc. My EB lies a few nos. under the TS. Because of the 2000 or so gap in the TS 40000-50000s the EBs over TS 50000 will be under the TS nos. BTW: Got the extract from the production records (thank you very much, Mike Ellis!). This extract shows the body shell no., but the Heritage Certificate from Gaydon doesn't. But Certificate has the engine no., which the extract hasn't. So if some information is missing it might be good to check both sources Edited September 20, 2020 by Black Forest TR3A the EBs over TS 50000 will be "under" the TS nos Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Forest TR3A Posted September 21, 2020 Report Share Posted September 21, 2020 I just found this explanation (by Roy M, post #14): https://www.triumphexp.com/forum/tr2-and-tr3-forum.6/tr3-body-numbers.1703684/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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