Coops Posted January 14, 2023 Report Share Posted January 14, 2023 Can anyone enlighten me? I’m looking at a fuel pump with an upright glass on it on a 2.5 engine (allegedly) . Is this out of a saloon, and more importantly, is it definitely a 2.5 engine? All opinions greatly appreciated! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OldBob Posted January 14, 2023 Report Share Posted January 14, 2023 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Coops said: Can anyone enlighten me? I’m looking at a fuel pump with an upright glass on it on a 2.5 engine (allegedly) . Is this out of a saloon, and more importantly, is it definitely a 2.5 engine? All opinions greatly appreciated! Identifying the pump is a clue but it doesn't guarantee what engine it is. Is there a visible engine number stamped on the ledge of the block just above the pump? For reference letters CR CR CC CF are TR6 variations. If it starts with MG then a saloon engine. Maybe start with these first. Edited January 14, 2023 by OldBob clarification Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Coops Posted January 14, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2023 Thanks, I haven’t access, only poor photos. I realise it’s not enough. I’ll take a chance...... Regards Coops. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
astontr6 Posted January 16, 2023 Report Share Posted January 16, 2023 On 1/14/2023 at 5:17 PM, Coops said: Can anyone enlighten me? I’m looking at a fuel pump with an upright glass on it on a 2.5 engine (allegedly) . Is this out of a saloon, and more importantly, is it definitely a 2.5 engine? All opinions greatly appreciated! Tell us the engine number and we s/b able to tell you. That upright glass tells me that it is a carb. engine? I would be looking for the pefix: MG, MM on the engine # for a UK engine. Bruce. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rcreweread Posted January 16, 2023 Report Share Posted January 16, 2023 Have you got a photo of the pump, even a bad one? Cheers Rich Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Coops Posted January 17, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 Here’s a photo, I ended up buying off eBay an engine which is allegedly a 2.5 litre. I’m going to collect tomorrow morning (Wednesday 18th of January). I’m trying to find any clues to make sure it’s not a 2 litre as obviously that’s no use as a spare for my tr6. I need to be sure before I load it up and take it! I believe the timing chain case is deeper to house the wider duplex chain? and domed pistons are not welcome! Any other info , engine numbers etc will be most welcome! Thanks in advance to all contributors. Regards Coops. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
astontr6 Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 15 minutes ago, Coops said: Here’s a photo, I ended up buying off eBay an engine which is allegedly a 2.5 litre. I’m going to collect tomorrow morning (Wednesday 18th of January). I’m trying to find any clues to make sure it’s not a 2 litre as obviously that’s no use as a spare for my tr6. I need to be sure before I load it up and take it! I believe the timing chain case is deeper to house the wider duplex chain? and domed pistons are not welcome! Any other info , engine numbers etc will be most welcome! Thanks in advance to all contributors. Regards Coops. Hi Coops! The key issue is engine number? Take some emery cloth with you to remove the crud on the top front right of the block, between the front 2 head stud nuts and tell us what it reads. Then we s/b able to help you? Bruce. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Coops Posted January 17, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 Thanks! Unfortunately my I pad only works at home. I’m going about 40 miles away to collect (hopefully) . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
boxofbits Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 If you bought from Ebay, why don’t you ask or message the owner to give you the engine number and/or a photo of it before you travel?? Kevin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Coops Posted January 17, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 I did try before the sale, to no avail. He’s selling on behalf of his father, he has to travel to see the engine. Apparently there’s a lot more stuff, so I’m not too bothered, I’m working on the theory if the description is incorrect I can get my money back.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlueTR3A-5EKT Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 (edited) That looks like a Delco distributor rather than a Lucas unit. Does that make it GT6 2 litre? That type of engine would have a sump with a clearance formed into it to clear the steering rack. Can be seen here. 2000/2500 sumps are formed on a slope because the engine fits at an angle in the chassis frame. See here. https://www.chriswitor.com/proddetail.php?prod=308570SH GT6 sump Edited January 17, 2023 by BlueTR3A-5EKT Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DRD Posted January 18, 2023 Report Share Posted January 18, 2023 It does look like a GT6 engine to me with Strombergs fitted. Also no heater valve on the head. Darren Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FatJon Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 Not a tr6 or gt6 engine. They both have the engine mounts on the cylinder block. The one in the picture has the mounts on the engine front plate like the 2000/2500 saloons. That means it has the wrong front plate and backplate for use in a TR6. So it could be a 2000 or a 2500 but will need the plates swapping over to go into a TR6. You might get away without changing the front plate but the backplate must be changed or the engine will lean. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Coops Posted January 19, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 Wow! Thanks guys! All useful info. I’ve been and bought the engine, engine number is MM29396HE and also a gearbox with a j type overdrive, number for that is MD30818. I can’t do any photos yet , they are stuck in my mates van elsewhere as I have snow at my place. There’s various stag bits lying around at this guys, it would be nice if the box came from one? ... The guys putting all the stuff on eBay soon in one batch, I saw a stag engine complete , with another in bits. I advised him to auction those separately. I saw 3 other non overdrive boxes plus one auto. Buried under various seats, rusty bumpers boxes of bits etc, there’s a manky stag and a mk2 2500 estate, which I’m guessing is where my engine came from. I’ve asked him to alert me when he puts the stuff on so I can let everyone know on this forum. The guy seems sound, he’s wanting the space, he didn’t charge me much for my gearbox. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
matt george Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 Well that's not too bad then, MM code means a 2500TC engine Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rcreweread Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 Coops - the gearbox number signifies it's a saloon gearbox which can easily be used in a TR - you will need to use the saloon clutch plate but you won't need to change the clutch cover. If you can live with an inaccurate speedo ( Saloon = 14" wheels, not 15" as on your TR), then just go with it. You may find the solenoid arrangement fouls the chassis as it's in a different orientation to a TR one , in which case you can get the correct vertical mounting bracket from ORS in Sheffield and you will need to source a conversion bracket/kit to fit a J type OD box to an A type chassis. Re the overdrive, the ID of the unit is on a small rectangular plate about 3" long and 1.5" deep which is pop rivetted on a flat area on the offside of the OD just above the sump - it should start 25/ or could be 28/ -the next 5/6 digits is the model the unit came off and the last digits are the number of units in that series. Some times these are missing in which case it's origin is anyone's guess till it's stripped down. Cheers Rich Quote Link to post Share on other sites
matt george Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 (edited) As Rich notes above, you can indeed use a saloon gearbox in a TR. My ex-US TR6 had a four-speed A-type box in it when I bought it, but the expense of either converting it to overdrive or buying an A-type overdrive box ruled that option out for me. Instead, I've got a J-type box and 28% overdrive that would have originally been from a 2500S. No problems with solenoid clearance, but I had to buy a different output flange from ORS as the hole spacing was different to the flange on the TR prop. Also got a conversion bracket at the rear that uses a GT6 gearbox mount, so no problems with sourcing another one in the future should it be required. Saloon clutch kit and I was good to go! Combination of 28% overdrive and 3:7.1 final drive is also a good 'un – optimal for sharpness off the line and not too buzzy when cruising on the motorway. Cheers, Matt Edited January 19, 2023 by matt george Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mike C Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 I've got a saloon box and A type overdrive. Works fine, just need to be careful with selecting the clutch plates as Rich says. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
matt george Posted January 20, 2023 Report Share Posted January 20, 2023 Mike C. You don't need to be careful. Any plate for a 2000/2500 MkII will work, likewise any full kit for the aforementioned. Very much available. If you are having problems then very much happy to help Matt Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mike C Posted January 20, 2023 Report Share Posted January 20, 2023 2 hours ago, matt george said: Mike C. You don't need to be careful. Any plate for a 2000/2500 MkII will work, likewise any full kit for the aforementioned. Very much available. If you are having problems then very much happy to help Matt Thanks, but I meant make anyone working on the car aware that, even though it's a Triumph engine , it's not a TR6 engine. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Coops Posted January 20, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2023 Thanks very much guys! I’m relieved to hear the engines a 2500. That was the main thing for me. I bought these items as spares, the prices were right, that’s never going to happen nowadays if you want them in a rush. Much appreciate everyone’s help! Regards Alan. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jonny TR6 Posted January 20, 2023 Report Share Posted January 20, 2023 Big question Coops - what’s the likelihood of it ever seeing your TR6 given you already have the correct engine ?! Only asking as I’ve been here before, buying spares I might need in 40yrs time only for them to take up a ton of space in the garage/workshop. A bit embarrassed about some of my collection - all bought with good intentions ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harlequin Posted January 20, 2023 Report Share Posted January 20, 2023 6 minutes ago, Jonny TR6 said: Big question Coops - what’s the likelihood of it ever seeing your TR6 given you already have the correct engine ?! Only asking as I’ve been here before, buying spares I might need in 40yrs time only for them to take up a ton of space in the garage/workshop. A bit embarrassed about some of my collection - all bought with good intentions ! Very true, I have had 3 gear boxes a dif and an engine stashed away under my bench for at least 20 years although I did rob a conrod from the engine a couple of years back. At 73 I doubt I'll ever need them but then again you can't be to careful. George Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Coops Posted January 22, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2023 I work on the theory I’m saving these things from the scrapman! I would like a spare diff too..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rcreweread Posted January 22, 2023 Report Share Posted January 22, 2023 Coops - you have a PM ( personal Message) - see the envelope icon at the top of page on the right cheers Rich Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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