Swscar Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 If you have a car which is still in original spec with a horizontal oil filter, would you change it to a spin on filter or keep it original? Everything else on the car is original. The premise is that everything is in perfect working order. SWS Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 If it ain't broke .................. Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FatJon Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 The advantages of the vertical filter are that it stays full when the engine is stopped and makes much less mess when being changed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Swscar Posted October 17, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 I understand that, hence my question. It’s really wether it’s preferable to keep the car in its original spec. SWS Quote Link to post Share on other sites
astontr6 Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 29 minutes ago, Swscar said: If you have a car which is still in original spec with a horizontal oil filter, would you change it to a spin on filter or keep it original? Everything else on the car is original. The premise is that everything is in perfect working order. SWS Hi Swscar. The trouble is with the horizontal filter is that the oil drains back out of it into the sump when the engine is stopped. Then you start the engine, and it can run up to 15 seconds without oil or oil pressure at the crank bearings which is not a very good idea as it shortens the life of the engine!!!! Therefore, replace with a spin on and bin the horizonal one. Bruce. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kenrow Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 Are you showing the car? How many miles do you drive a year? Things to take into consideration which could impact your decision. In the end the change is something that can be returned to original with little effort... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FatJon Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 The question is who are you asking for. If you are planning to sell it to a concours fan or show it that class you will want it original, others will want small improvements. If you are the former leave it alone. I’m very much in favour of the improvements within reason. I bonnet bulge is right out but improving the startup oiling, LED bulbs and a bigger alternator make perfect sense to me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cp25616 Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 I am a great stickler for originality, always have been , always will be. However mentioned above are the reasons you should use the spin on conversion. I for one would do it every time, the empty horizontal cannister oil drain is a thing you should avoid. You can always retro-fit the original if required. Alan G Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Swscar Posted October 17, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 Ok. I was really just trying to get an idea of how desirable an original spec car is. SWS Quote Link to post Share on other sites
poolboy Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 (edited) If that's the only non-original thing on the car, it would be a miracle and probably a little more desirable to some few. Edited October 17, 2022 by poolboy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andy Moltu Posted October 18, 2022 Report Share Posted October 18, 2022 The spin on conversions are a simple bolt on modification. One bolt and you are back to the original state so nothing to lose sleep over. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Swscar Posted October 18, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2022 With all due respect , I know about the spin on conversion, my question was not is it worth doing, but how much more, or less, desirable is a completely untouched car, excepting normal servicing and relevant replacement of worn out components with equivalent new ones. My question is will a perfectly working car in first class condition, but as it came from the factory, more desirable than one, in the same condition but with lots of mods. SWS Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bill944T Posted October 18, 2022 Report Share Posted October 18, 2022 My question is will a perfectly working car in first class condition, but as it came from the factory, more desirable than one, in the same condition but with lots of mods. SWS Would those modifications include converting a LH drive to RH drive? Regards Bill Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FatJon Posted October 18, 2022 Report Share Posted October 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Swscar said: With all due respect , I know about the spin on conversion, my question was not is it worth doing, but how much more, or less, desirable is a completely untouched car, excepting normal servicing and relevant replacement of worn out components with equivalent new ones. My question is will a perfectly working car in first class condition, but as it came from the factory, more desirable than one, in the same condition but with lots of mods. SWS With equal respect, It depends on who you’re selling it to. I don't want a concours car with brake pad knock back, questionable crank thrust bearing arrangement, 1970 brakes, Licas mechanical injection and points based ignition, so I spent a vast amount of money on not having those and other assorted “original features”. Others will insist on all of the above being left alone and pay more to not have them changed. There is no simple answer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Swscar Posted October 18, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2022 Ok, let’s put an end to this thread. Everyone has a different opinion. Thanks all. SWS Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CP26309 Posted October 19, 2022 Report Share Posted October 19, 2022 So? I've owned my car over 50 years, and like originality too, but it became a bit of a faff to dig out the 'O' ring and clean out the bowl and all the bits on the bolt. Then there's the chance albeit small of cross threading it! After reading about the oil flow back here that was it for me so I decided to add a Spin on! It's not as if the original stock horizontal bowl can't be refitted if needs beat any time...So I just cleaned the old bowl and put it in my spares cupboard, together with all the other old original parts, like the original 15" steering wheel etc. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnC Posted November 4, 2022 Report Share Posted November 4, 2022 Why is this even a question? As Andy said, keep the original and you can swap before each potential buyer comes to see the car. And the same can be said, to a degree, for so many improvements. I've kept my original (50yr-old) steering rack in case somebody wants to make "my" car less drivable in the interests of originality by removing the power steering. And I've kept the old seats, oil filter housing, Lucas fuel pump, engine-driven fan, headlight bulbs, instrument non-light bulbs, etc. You get my drift. If it's reversible and the parts come with the car then I'm struggling to understand the point of the question. But YMMV. JohnC Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spit_2.5PI Posted November 4, 2022 Report Share Posted November 4, 2022 3 hours ago, JohnC said: Why is this even a question? As Andy said, keep the original and you can swap before each potential buyer comes to see the car. And the same can be said, to a degree, for so many improvements. I've kept my original (50yr-old) steering rack in case somebody wants to make "my" car less drivable in the interests of originality by removing the power steering. And I've kept the old seats, oil filter housing, Lucas fuel pump, engine-driven fan, headlight bulbs, instrument non-light bulbs, etc. You get my drift. If it's reversible and the parts come with the car then I'm struggling to understand the point of the question. But YMMV. JohnC I've got a house full of original bits. My missus is starting to complain! Cheers, Richard Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Peter Cobbold Posted November 4, 2022 Report Share Posted November 4, 2022 Keeping a car "original" as an historic vehicle is defined by FIVA in its Charter of Turin https://fiva.org/en/?s=charter+of+turin&post_type[]=any&search_limit_to_post_titles=0&fs=1&lang=en They expect the paint to be original and confirmed by microscope analysis. I'd not be surprised if use of out-of-period silicone wax would be seen by FIVA as destroying historical status! In short, FIVA would eliminate almost all "original" TRs from historical status. Museum specimens kept under wraps from new might qualify. Everywhere's too far in a museum's TR. Peter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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