Scotland Director Posted June 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, ntc said: Then trgb told you wrong not only that the safety catch would have bent outward as you closed the bonnet as it would have missed the loop catch I think the bolt being outwards was my fault, can’t blame TRGB for that, but it actually works ok. If the bolt had been the other way then that catch wouldn’t have caught it and I wouldn’t have learned as much as I did over the last couple of weeks ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foster461 Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 Cool. Yes I can see some benefits of fitting it there minus the bolt sticking out and the irony of the emergency release jamming the bonnet shut. Better entertainment than the telly though. Stan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scotland Director Posted July 6, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2020 Haha, that’s kind of you to say so, you could have also possibly learned some new choice words had you been in my garage at the time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Waldi Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 (edited) Since the bonnet catch was lastly mentioned here I thought it would be good to share my experience with a new bonnet catch. My old safety catch had broken off so I ordered a new one. Installation and alignment were straight forward, but I noted the safety catch was very easily vent, so I was very carefull with it, and every time I opened the bonnet, the catch restrained (limited the vertical travel), all normal, but this made the round pin that holds the safety catch bend out slowly until it fell off yesterday. The pin is only connected to the rest of the part by four indents in the pin, see picture. A very poor quality part, again. It still puzzles me why such poor components are supplied, where a mire robust solution can be made for the sane cost. I will see what the supplier says. Waldi Edited July 8, 2020 by Waldi Added picture Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stuart Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 49 minutes ago, Waldi said: Since the bonnet catch was lastly mentioned here I thought it would be good to share my experience with a new bonnet catch. My old safety catch had broken off so I ordered a new one. Installation and alignment were straight forward, but I noted the safety catch was very easily vent, so I was very carefull with it, and every time I opened the bonnet, the catch restrained (limited the vertical travel), all normal, but this made the round pin that holds the safety catch bend out slowly until it fell off yesterday. The pin is only connected to the rest of the part by four indents in the pin, see picture. A very poor quality part, again. It still puzzles me why such poor components are supplied, where a mire robust solution can be made for the sane cost. I will see what the supplier says. Waldi Yes I peen them over properly before use if theyre that bad. Stuart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PodOne Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 I don't get the suppliers thinking when a couple of pence or them specifying the correct OEM spec to the suppliers would gain them loyal customers. Think I'll have a look at my new one as well and drill it out and use a nut and bolt if it will allow and beef up the hook to stop it bending as it looks a bit weak at the top end. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Waldi Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 The impact on this poor connection will try to bend the pin downwards and once I “fix“ it I cannot return it so first I will contact the supplier. Waldi Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mike C Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 (edited) Waldi's pin isn't even staked properly. The original part has that pin connection formed over in a press. I don't like repro parts and after noticing by bonnet lock had no safety catch I had to import a second hand original part from the US. This cost twice as much in postage as the part cost but I've had very poor experience with repro parts . Edited July 8, 2020 by Mike C Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stuart Posted July 9, 2020 Report Share Posted July 9, 2020 12 hours ago, PodOne said: I don't get the suppliers thinking when a couple of pence or them specifying the correct OEM spec to the suppliers would gain them loyal customers. Think I'll have a look at my new one as well and drill it out and use a nut and bolt if it will allow and beef up the hook to stop it bending as it looks a bit weak at the top end. The latest repros have a triangulated bracket for the safety hook so not as flimsy as they once were. Drilling and tapping that pin for a 2BA screw and washer works well too. Stuart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scotland Director Posted July 9, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2020 Thanks for the tips. Which supplier supplied the cheapo one in the first place, also good to know I think ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
astontr6 Posted July 9, 2020 Report Share Posted July 9, 2020 7 hours ago, stuart said: The latest repros have a triangulated bracket for the safety hook so not as flimsy as they once were. Drilling and tapping that pin for a 2BA screw and washer works well too. Stuart. +1 Bruce Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Waldi Posted July 9, 2020 Report Share Posted July 9, 2020 This is what mine looks like: https://www.moss-europe.co.uk/safety-catch-bonnet-619580.html?assoc=123629 Does this have a triangulated bracket (not sure what that means). Thanks, Waldi Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PodOne Posted July 9, 2020 Report Share Posted July 9, 2020 2 hours ago, Waldi said: This is what mine looks like: https://www.moss-europe.co.uk/safety-catch-bonnet-619580.html?assoc=123629 Does this have a triangulated bracket (not sure what that means). Thanks, Waldi Same as mine Waldi mine bent where the mounting plate to the bonnet extends to the hook. I think that's what needs triangulating to beef it up to stop it twisting/bending. Anyone got a pictures or the two types? Andy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Waldi Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 Aha, so triangulating is similar as “gusseting”. Learning all the time;) Yes, so two things needed: A decent connection from pin to plate. A triangulated corner. Have informed supplier yesterday, will await his response. I was at a local Dutch supplier, he had a new catch, So I drove there (getting wiser) but unfortunately it was exactly the same poor quality item on both aspects. Waldi Quote Link to post Share on other sites
astontr6 Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 2 hours ago, Waldi said: Aha, so triangulating is similar as “gusseting”. Learning all the time;) Yes, so two things needed: A decent connection from pin to plate. A triangulated corner. Have informed supplier yesterday, will await his response. I was at a local Dutch supplier, he had a new catch, So I drove there (getting wiser) but unfortunately it was exactly the same poor quality item on both aspects. Waldi Stuart has a good answer to that problem! But it needs to be checked by Roger our QA man that we do not have the same problem here in the UK. I hope that we have the later type with the indented corner. I still have the original type which is easily bent. Bruce. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stuart Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 14 hours ago, Waldi said: This is what mine looks like: https://www.moss-europe.co.uk/safety-catch-bonnet-619580.html?assoc=123629 Does this have a triangulated bracket (not sure what that means). Thanks, Waldi That one does have a triangulated bracket . Stuart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Waldi Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 Thank you Bruce and Stuart, my new bracket does not have this, it is triangulated, but bot welded to make this effective. The supplier has send me a quick response and will supply a new bracket FOC. He was aware of the issue, so I appreciate his honest feedback.I made a recommendation to him on how to improve the bracket and pin-attachment. Below is my bracket, it is not welded in the corner. A CAUTION TO OTHERS ORDERING THIS PART: Check with the supplier if his brackets are improved version or not. Regards, Waldi Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mike C Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 Waldi , just as well you noticed that- obviously the gusset won't work unless it's welded. I hate repro parts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 5 hours ago, Waldi said: Aha, so triangulating is similar as “gusseting”. Learning all the time;) You use TRiangulating to find the gusset TRiangulation Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Waldi Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 34 minutes ago, Mike C said: Waldi , just as well you noticed that- obviously the gusset won't work unless it's welded. I hate repro parts. Hi Mike, to be honest I’m glad we do have them. Without these reproductions maintaining our cars, let alone a restoration, is impossible. It is the lack of quality control that is an often arising issue. But quality control comes at a price. An important part is to provide feedback to the suppliers, the TR Register PQI is a valuable tool for this. My individual issue is solved to my satisfaction, but I bet there are many poorly fabricated brackets on the shelves. Best regards, Waldi Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mike C Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 59 minutes ago, Waldi said: Hi Mike, to be honest I’m glad we do have them. Without these reproductions maintaining our cars, let alone a restoration, is impossible. It is the lack of quality control that is an often arising issue. But quality control comes at a price. An important part is to provide feedback to the suppliers, the TR Register PQI is a valuable tool for this. My individual issue is solved to my satisfaction, but I bet there are many poorly fabricated brackets on the shelves. Best regards, Waldi I know but I wish the repro parts community would get the message that today's TR owners are prepared to pay good money for quality parts. By the time you factor in installation costs the difference in price between shoddy and quality parts is negligible. Most of us take pride in the standard of workmanship used on our vehicles and I for one never question the price of a part if I know it's from a supplier known for its quality. But I guess my standards were set in a world that existed before ebay and Amazon. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Waldi Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 Hi Mike, in our perfect world that would be the case. But probably like many I found out the hard way that also suppliers that claim to have the best parts available, sell the same items. Some sell “good” and how could they do different....As an example: how many companies are actually fabricating this bonnet catch? I bet just one. So a major difference for me is how they deal with issues. If I get parts from my local general car parts store, that’s where I go, but often not possible. Cheers, Waldi Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chris Seymour Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 I had the opposite problem, my bonnet kept popping open. My bonnet latch was missing the safety hook so ordered a new one. When fitted the hook didn’t locate with the latch plate. Tried to bend it slightly to line up and it just fell to pieces, so back to having no safety hook. My popping bonnet turned out to be the poor quality of the pattern latch plate. The spring was so weak it wouldn’t return the mechanisms properly. Managed to get hold of an original one, cleaned it up and sprayed it.........perfect. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PodOne Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 16 hours ago, Waldi said: Aha, so triangulating is similar as “gusseting”. Learning all the time;) Yes, so two things needed: A decent connection from pin to plate. A triangulated corner. Have informed supplier yesterday, will await his response. I was at a local Dutch supplier, he had a new catch, So I drove there (getting wiser) but unfortunately it was exactly the same poor quality item on both aspects. Waldi Waldi You can't beat a nice gusset! Andy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mike C Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Chris Seymour said: I had the opposite problem, my bonnet kept popping open. My bonnet latch was missing the safety hook so ordered a new one. When fitted the hook didn’t locate with the latch plate. Tried to bend it slightly to line up and it just fell to pieces, so back to having no safety hook. My popping bonnet turned out to be the poor quality of the pattern latch plate. The spring was so weak it wouldn’t return the mechanisms properly. Managed to get hold of an original one, cleaned it up and sprayed it.........perfect. I noticed my safety hook was missing when I checked after this discussion started. I don't buy repro stuff if I can get original but coronavirus has closed my local TR wreckers and vintage swap meets are out of the question. I was lucky to source an original catch from the US - postage was a bit much but it still came in at around the cost of a repro part. Edited July 11, 2020 by Mike C Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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