Jersey Royal Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 Excuse my ignorance, but why? Malcolm T Hi Malcolm, If you have a harness, the type that goes over both shoulders, it holds you tight in the seat, little movement. In the event that the car were to roll over, you would still be secured firmly in your seat. No roll bar and your head would take the place of the roll bar. However with the standard diagonal belts and no roll bar you have some hope of ducking down . Car with no belts, top down, in the event of a roll, even more movement, and you will most likely be thrown clear. Of course front end collision is a different thing altogether. Cheers Guy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pinky Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 i can understand were you are all coming from re safety however, for me the fun of the three is the element of danger that goes with the driving experience i don't want to sound to cavalier but if you put a roll bar full harness in a three, that would kill it for me personally the car doesn't look right when it is fitted its like playing conkers with goggles and gloves bloody nanny state pink Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foster461 Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 .... its like playing conkers with goggles and gloves Pink's new conker outfit Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ntc Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJzqQDR2z3I And with a roof on . I doubt very much you could hold yourself in let alone a child Pink I did say modified, most badly! the std car will tell the normal limits of the car Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nuts and bolts Posted January 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 my god what a can of worms i seem to have opened! and a good thing too! a bar is better than no bar! so no toy throwing please or i will get very cross,! a bar bolted to the chassis is the best, but i think most just bolt (plus sandwich plates ) to the body work, ok start shooting me down in flames! thanks for all your input guys , and a happy new year !regards Richard. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Denis Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 hi everyone and a happy new year. i am thinking of fitting a rollover bar to my 6 .the type sold by revington . (road type no diag and harness loop) do they tend to create wind noise at speed say 60 70 mph. the added safety of having one is obvious ,its more the case of getting the right one! have a good 2012 . regards Richard Are going Racing Richard? If not, the Windscreen Frame is the Cars Roll Over Bar! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SteveF Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 "Are going Racing Richard? If not, the Windscreen Frame is the Cars Roll Over Bar!" And have you seen how rusty they can get even if they appear good from the outside!!!!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nuts and bolts Posted January 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 no not going racing . just touring in safe as possable way . on my other halfs beetle cabriolet (07) the screen is structural!. regards Richard Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ntc Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 Richard A thick plate on the top of thin will not do it.At the very least it should be fully gusseted Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Peter Cobbold Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 the Windscreen Frame is the Cars Roll Over Bar! You must be joking. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alec Pringle Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 It's not rocket science to weld a decent size spreader plate to the underside of the bodywork, and then to weld and bolt the footplates of the bar - or if appropriate, to fabricate a more substantial underfloor bracket to a chassis member. Simple enough for the average 'MoT repair' garage man. The likelihood of needing the bar in a rollover situation is in any case small, the chances of the bar being a lifesaver in a side impact situation is many times greater - and I'd suggest that is the real priority. Cheers, Alec Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quentin Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 (edited) I am curious. I have spoken to Racetorations and to Revingtons and they both seem absolutely clear that their ROBs (not their full cages) will provide good protection and are rated for competition but neither connect through to the chassis. Now obviously they are selling the things but they do have reputations to protect. I hear the argument about bolting through to the chassis, but I find it hard to believe these guys are making bars which will simply collapse/tear off the body. So speaking as someone with zero expertise, unless I have grossly misunderstood them I am personally pursuaded that these two at least are a genuine safety enhancement. As for the cosmetic argument - well, each to his or her own methinks! Edited January 6, 2012 by Quentin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alec Pringle Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 Hi Quentin, assuming that you have solid floors, and that the bar feet are mounted in line with the manufacturer's recommendations, or better, in terms of spreader plates, then yes you have a significant safety enhancement. Cheers, Alec Quote Link to post Share on other sites
john.r.davies Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 Racing or not, the criteria for a roll cage are the same, you just don't expect to use it so often on the road. Of course, on moderns it is normal to mount the ROPS onto the body shell. To the chassis if present is an ideal, but not essential, as the MSA Yearbook makes clear. Go to http://www.msauk.org/uploadedfiles/msa_forms/bluebooks/12/150_186_Common_Regulations_for_Competitors_(Safety)_(K).pdf and Drawings 13 and 13(a) which show the foot bolted to a welded-on reinforcing plate on a body panel. See also No.19 for the foot of a backstay on a wheel arch, a very rigid mount owwing to the curvature. The whole of Section K Paras 1.3.2 and following is concerned with "Mounting of Rollcages to the Bodyshell" and merits a read. . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
15eren Posted January 7, 2012 Report Share Posted January 7, 2012 I have mounted a ROB from Revington with a removeble diag and a harness bar, but I dont think that I will ever remove the diag. Very perfect fit and the hood can be raised and lowered without problems. Cheers Tage Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ragtag Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 Tage That is one tidy garage!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Prefect Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 Hi Tage Now you have the ROB fitted does the hood cover around the bar. Mine is cr#^%p won't fit around the ROB at all. (ROB Stag type from Moss). Pete Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TR NIALL Posted January 9, 2012 Report Share Posted January 9, 2012 You should have no problems with the Hood Cover or the Hood but the Tonneau Cover is a different matter,it will need a Rework=Cutting and Restiching. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
15eren Posted January 9, 2012 Report Share Posted January 9, 2012 (edited) Hi Pete There is no problems with the hood and the hood cover. And I dont have a tonneu-cover, so that was not a problem for me, but it certainly must be modified. cheers Tage Edited January 9, 2012 by 15eren Quote Link to post Share on other sites
roulli Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 Good evening, As much as I understand Revington's roll bar fixes completely on the rear deck, with the 4 points. That is practical, because you can slide the backrest of the seat against the inner wheel arch. However it makes the bar pretty narrow. I was just looking on Safety Devices site and found this: http://www.safetydevices.com/motorsport/products/roll-cage/Triumph+TR6+-1969-1976/26/#!prettyPhoto Has anybody such a bar and does the hood still fit? Regards, Patrick Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quentin Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 (edited) The Racetorations bar is basically the same as the one in your link. Bar 004. In their photo gallery they show similar installation pics, however my iPad won't let me see them to give you a link. Start here though: http://www.racetorations.co.uk/cage.htmlE Q Edited January 10, 2012 by Quentin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jersey Royal Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 Quentin, Looks to me as if the Racetorations bar is not designed to go under a softop. http://www.racetorations.co.uk/page97.html Patrick, Nice motor great colour choice. Cheers GUY Quote Link to post Share on other sites
roulli Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 (edited) Patrick, Nice motor great colour choice. Cheers GUY Hi Guy, Remember who told me to join the "Sapphire" fraction? By the way, your ROB is fixed to the floor isn't it? Best Patrick Edited January 11, 2012 by roulli Quote Link to post Share on other sites
roulli Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 (edited) Not easy to quote and edit with iPhone Edited January 11, 2012 by roulli Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quentin Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 It does. BAR 001 fits on the wheel arches and does not fit under the hood. BAR004 does that's why it curves in. I spoke to them. Daryl I think. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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