stuart Posted March 1 Report Share Posted March 1 34 minutes ago, PXC said: Also, can someone cast light on what a “rationalised gearbox” is? This is on the heritage certificate under the Equipment heading. Does it mean all synchromesh? Thanks Paul Yes its the same through the range so a TR4 synchro box also. Stuart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlueTR3A-5EKT Posted March 1 Report Share Posted March 1 4 hours ago, Ian Vincent said: Usually when something is rationalised it means that some level of standardisation has been applied, so I would expect it to be a reference to perhaps the fitting of a TR4 gearbox. Just a thought. Yes my thoughts too but I do not know for certain. Beyond the build of TCF cars was involving TR4 engine and gearbox. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PXC Posted March 2 Author Report Share Posted March 2 Vendor confirms it is a synchromesh type A gearbox with factory Laycock overdrive. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lebro Posted March 2 Report Share Posted March 2 The "A" means an "A" type Laycock overdrive, as opposed to a "J" type. all TR boxes are synchromesh, but a TR3A one would only have synchro on 2nd, 3rd, & top, whereas a TR4 (& TR3B ?) has synchro on all forward gears. Bob Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PXC Posted March 2 Author Report Share Posted March 2 Thanks Bob I’m learning something new every day! I contacted Macy’s garage in Tip City, Ohio - they rebuilt the engine to a high spec in 2011, and ran it up out of the car. They warned me that if, as the current owner believes, that engine has never been run since 2011 (which seems to be the case) that the engine rebuild by Macy’s should add zero to the value of the car 13 years later. They say they certainly did not prepare the engine for such a long period of storage - they did not “pickle” it in their words. Interestingly, the car does not have its original engine now. The engine currently in the car - TCF1904E - is not the original listed on the heritage certificate - TCF1527E. I can only assume that 1904 was the one that received the full rebuild by Macy’s, as Macy’s didn’t record engine numbers back then. regards Paul Quote Link to post Share on other sites
james christie Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 If you are really enthusiastic for a 3B, you could do worse by scanning down the 40 or so Sidescreen cars that are for sale here in France on ‘Le Bon Coin’ (www.leboncoin.fr - in French of course) It’s the equivalent of Gumtree - Ebay doesn’t go well here. Currently there are 2 TR3Bs for sale. Most of the (overpriced?) offerings are from dealers, most trying to complete their retirement fund with a quick flip, but some are more professional than others. The sidescreen market has taken a nose dive and there are (too) many on offer. Some for a very long time. A good haggle is to be anticipated and there may be joy at the end of it. BUT, Brexit has shot down any hope of an easy transfer to Blighty, but it can be done. james Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PXC Posted March 3 Author Report Share Posted March 3 Thanks James I didn’t specifically search for a TR3B, I just found this one on EBay. It wasn’t shown as a B, just a TR3, but the heritage certificate made it clear. I’d like to find a TR2 or 3. I started my search a few years ago looking for a specific TR3A which my uncle used to own when I was young, over 50 years ago. But I’ve given up on that search now. Are your comments about a surplus of sidescreen cars specific to France only? Or do you think the same applies in UK? I agree with your comment on dealers in general, I prefer private sales, but so many cars seem to come to market through dealers, rather than their owners selling them direct. I wonder why that is? regards Paul Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TR NIALL Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 34 minutes ago, PXC said: Thanks James I didn’t specifically search for a TR3B, I just found this one on EBay. It wasn’t shown as a B, just a TR3, but the heritage certificate made it clear. I’d like to find a TR2 or 3. I started my search a few years ago looking for a specific TR3A which my uncle used to own when I was young, over 50 years ago. But I’ve given up on that search now. Are your comments about a surplus of sidescreen cars specific to France only? Or do you think the same applies in UK? I agree with your comment on dealers in general, I prefer private sales, but so many cars seem to come to market through dealers, rather than their owners selling them direct. I wonder why that is? regards Paul There’s 73 TR3s listed on Car and Classic at the moment from private and Dealers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
james christie Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 We could open up a new, and even pinned, topic on this theme for those looking for a car! With the 73 TRs listed in C&C, the 98 in Scout 24 and the 40 in Le Bon Coin, that seems to me an awful lot of sidescreen cars chasing new owners in Europe. Depending on your taste for a right or left hooker, of course. Inevitably there will be duplicates in these listings. I can only comment on those for sale here in France. My observation is that most of them have been sourced in the US as they are LHD with speedometer in miles and were probably imported before the US$ went through the roof. Many have been in the same sales yard for more than a year and it would appear that many of the dealers are ‘hung’ with them at around 32000€ on a falling market. There is a even a 3A with a ‘Stamped Book’, ie a write off, for sale at 13 000€ - down from 18000€! The Sidescreen car, with some exceptions, has become the choice of us silverbacks. Nostalgia isn’t what it used to be. james Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Charlie D Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 12 minutes ago, james christie said: The Sidescreen car, with some exceptions, has become the choice of us silverbacks. It would be interesting to know the age range (and numbers of each age) of sidescreen owners of members of the TR register. Probably not be too difficult to do a database query and would not infringe any privacy laws as no names would be included. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lebro Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 1955 TR3 73 Anon Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Charlie D Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 1959 TR3A 74 An on and on. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
james christie Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 1959 3A. 75 james Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TR NIALL Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 I must get myself a TR3,69 and counting Quote Link to post Share on other sites
james christie Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 Evidently the statistics show that you are too young for such a car…. james Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TR NIALL Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 1 minute ago, james christie said: Evidently the statistics show that you are too young for such a car…. james Haha thank you I’ll wait till I’m a bit older Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PXC Posted March 4 Author Report Share Posted March 4 I think I qualify for the sidescreen owners club. 70 later this year. regards Paul Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PXC Posted March 4 Author Report Share Posted March 4 3 hours ago, james christie said: We could open up a new, and even pinned, topic on this theme for those looking for a car! With the 73 TRs listed in C&C, the 98 in Scout 24 and the 40 in Le Bon Coin, that seems to me an awful lot of sidescreen cars chasing new owners in Europe. Depending on your taste for a right or left hooker, of course. Inevitably there will be duplicates in these listings. I can only comment on those for sale here in France. My observation is that most of them have been sourced in the US as they are LHD with speedometer in miles and were probably imported before the US$ went through the roof. Many have been in the same sales yard for more than a year and it would appear that many of the dealers are ‘hung’ with them at around 32000€ on a falling market. There is a even a 3A with a ‘Stamped Book’, ie a write off, for sale at 13 000€ - down from 18000€! The Sidescreen car, with some exceptions, has become the choice of us silverbacks. Nostalgia isn’t what it used to be. james I’m not clear what you are saying about prices in the UK James. Are you saying sidescreen cars ARE reducing in price, or that they SHOULD be reducing because there is more supply than demand? I’m not seeing a reduction in asking price in UK. Regards Paul Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TR Rob Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 1960 TR3A 71 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
markaluge Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 1958 TR3A 61 - am I too young? 1963 TR4 Which I purchased when I was 23! Mark Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlueTR3A-5EKT Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 As I have 3 TRs do I divide my age by the quantity of cars to lower the average age? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
james christie Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 30 minutes ago, BlueTR3A-5EKT said: As I have 3 TRs do I divide my age by the quantity of cars to lower the average age? Looks like it may be a good idea! 51 minutes ago, PXC said: I’m not clear what you are saying about prices in the UK James. Are you saying sidescreen cars ARE reducing in price, or that they SHOULD be reducing because there is more supply than demand? Paul, I have no observations to make at all about anything in the UK, which I fled 45 years ago. One consequence was that I converted my 3A from RHD to LHD, the result is that it was one of a few and is now one of many… james Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ralph Whitaker Posted March 5 Report Share Posted March 5 18 hours ago, PXC said: I’m not clear what you are saying about prices in the UK James. Are you saying sidescreen cars ARE reducing in price, or that they SHOULD be reducing because there is more supply than demand? I’m not seeing a reduction in asking price in UK. Regards Paul I think many are overpriced, based on owners wanting to get back what they paid a few years ago, or dealers wanting large mark ups. This causes a glut on the market and rumours that no one wants to buy sidescreen cars any more. I have my TR3a insured for £20k, but if I was to sell I would be happy at around £15k. Classics are the same as any motor, you buy it, you use and enjoy it, you sell at a loss, even if you spent a fortune restoring it. It is true that the age demographic shows that most owners, myself included at 68 yrs young, means there are going to be fewer buyers around and plenty of cars to choose from so unfortunately prices will have to be realistic to sell. It seems that you need to own a Golf, or any 70s Ford to make money at the moment. Ralph Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John McCormack Posted March 6 Report Share Posted March 6 A few months back we did a survey of our members with the results published in our magazine, Sidescreen. We asked for the age demographic of our members. The Register here is a bit different to elsewhere, it is a sidescreen only club, but my observation is that all classic car clubs have the same demographic. Copy attached. I hope you can open it, if not let me know. Enjoy. https://trregister.azurewebsites.net/documents/sidescreens/jgc5nax0.pdf Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TR Rob Posted March 6 Report Share Posted March 6 29 minutes ago, John McCormack said: A few months back we did a survey of our members with the results published in our magazine, Sidescreen. We asked for the age demographic of our members. The Register here is a bit different to elsewhere, it is a sidescreen only club, but my observation is that all classic car clubs have the same demographic. Copy attached. I hope you can open it, if not let me know. Enjoy. https://trregister.azurewebsites.net/documents/sidescreens/jgc5nax0.pdf Managed to open OK….very interesting, but not a surprising conclusion to the age of members survey. Thought the magazine was interesting and inclusive, great to see positive things down under. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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