TR6 / M3 Convresion Update

[milemarker60]

I'm happy to report that I have just turned over 250 miles since putting my project officially on the road last week. Nothing of any consequence has hampered my enjoyment as of yet (knocking on wood this very second) but I have identified a couple of things I need to address besides installing the interior trim.

 

My fuel cell I had made (to my design...) would have worked perfectly but like an idiot, I forgot about the internal baffling when I decided to turn it front to back in the final stages. This was done to change the fuel filler location and I welded a new bung on the bottom forward corner for the outlet. Problem is that I had internal baffles welded in around the original fuel outlet that prevented fuel from sloshing away from the line. When my tank is full all is well, when low, aggressive acceleration or cornering forces the fuel away from the pick-up. I'm going to have to take it out and perform surgery on the baffling system.

 

The exhaust is just temporary but needs to be dealt with sooner than later as it's got a pretty good harmonic vibration around 6K-8K RPMS and is very annoying.

 

Need to find a supplier for the R200 diff that sells higher than 3.54 ring and pinion gear sets (3.08-3.15 ideally). I'm turning 3500 RPMs @ 68 MPH which is fine for the engine but somewhat annoying as I can't hardly get it shifted out of first quick enough. Might just replace with a BMW 6-spd which holds all the first 5 ratios the same and adds a .83 OD but with the power and weight I really don't need six gears.

 

Anyway, here are a few pics I shot this morning in its current state.

 

[88V8]

Need to find a supplier for the R200 diff that sells higher than 3.54 ring and pinion gear sets (3.08-3.15 ideally).

Looks well and tastefully executed. Nice absence of underbonnet clutter.

So you have a non-overdrive box...

At 3,500 I'm doing 95mph on a 3.7 diff, but then I have overdrive and huge tyres....I'm not aware they made anything higher than the 3.45 for the R200, might be worth speaking to Richard Good as I guess he would know, but if you've used his instal kit I'm sure you already had that conversation.

 

Ivor

Edited November 4, 2008 by 88V8

[trfella]

All I can say is WOW!

 

That is one fine looking TRM6, and beautifully executed.

 

BTW - those oil spots on the floor aren't from your car are they?

 

[Alpha206]

BTW - those oil spots on the floor aren't from your car are they?

 

 

It's still remembering it's a Triumph.....?

[davehop]

Looks fantasic - nice job! I expect it's absurdly quick as well!

 

Cheers

 

 

Dave

[harrytr5]

Just love it and I would also love seeing grown men cry when taken to TR shows.Just brilliant and the best non original transfer I have seen.Well done.

BMW still own the rites of Triumph do they not.I had a BMW straight four cylinder motorcycle engine in the boot of my then only car (TR6) as I was transporting to my home.Took a picture and nearly sent it to TR Action with the caption 'Last word on Fuel Pumps'.Well I thought it was funny at the time when Bosch pumps were only just appearing for the injected TRs and the Lucas one was so much trouble.

Regards Harry TR5 Nutter.

[TR674]

Mile

Superb...............

Harry, I'm a grown man (physically anyway) and I am looking at these pics and weeping...............tears of joy.

[stallie]

BTW - those oil spots on the floor aren't from your car are they?

 

I'd be concerned if the PT6A-42 in the background was dropping that much oil! Now that's an engine close to my heart - although I like the -67 better . I am not sure how the 1000-odd hp would go in a TR6 though - it would certainly get the wrx boys' attention at the lights!

 

Nice job on the TR6 - it's in a condition that I want to get mine to one day.

Edited November 5, 2008 by stallie

[Tony Millward]

Very nicely done, a goodly mix of old and new...

 

Tony

[88V8]

Need to find a supplier for the R200 diff that sells higher than 3.54 ring and pinion gear sets (3.08-3.15 ideally). I'm turning 3500 RPMs @ 68 MPH which is fine for the engine but somewhat annoying as I can't hardly get it shifted out of first quick enough.

Checked this morning, seems you might be put of luck there - the longest legs that Nismo list for the R200 is a 3.364 which would give you about 20.5mph/1000rpm. I guess you're looking for nearer 22mph. So, as you say, another box.

Or bigger wheels, but it does look pretty good on that rubber.

BTW what made you go for an M3 rather than a V8 ?

 

Ivor

Edited November 5, 2008 by 88V8

[trfella]

What are the estimated performance stats with your power/ratio, and dare I ask, the cost of the entire build?

[Chris Tyrrell TR6]

Now that's gorgeous! I've seen earlier photos during your build and eagerly awaited seeing the finished item. I assume it's a US spec M50 3.0 engine with 245hp in standard spec?

Would you be interested in a swap? You can have my TR6, my MGB and I'll even throw in the wife.

[Shezbo]

Simply brilliant-a few months ago there was a thread along the lines of "what Non OE motor would put in your TR", I voted for the M3 conversion

 

This engine is simply superb-lots of low down grunt (surprisingly) and high end power up to 7,800 RPM and nearly 300 BHP I believe?

 

This TR6 will simply fly-will sound awesome and should be totally reliable after a few shake down runs-wow all I can say is WOW

 

Top bloke-enjoy

[TR Tim]

Man this car is fantastic. I cannot think of a better upgrade. Straight 6 I just love it. Well done.

[harrytr5]

Miles,

Can we have some more photos and the spec.Would like to see the lot if poss.

Regards HarryTR5 Nutter.

[jellison]

AWESOME!

 

Never catch me doing anything like that

 

What Spec of M3 lump is it 286 3.2 or 340bhp 3.4 (last 6 cylinder one) or some where in between)?

Edited November 13, 2008 by jellison

[milemarker60]

Thanks for all the props guys.

 

Photobucket Link (not completely up to date): http://s115.photobucket.com/albums/n310/milemarker60/

 

I had always wanted to build a “fast” British car and wanted to craft something unique. My intentions were to build a virtually stock appearing TR6 that performed at insane levels while delivering exceptional reliability. Various V8’s have found there way into these cars over the years but require many modifications that I was not willing to live with (steering geometry, firewall cutting, weight changes, etc.). While this was no mere “bolt-in” process, the net results lightened and balanced the overall car and required absolutely no changes to the steering and suspension system. It was almost as if BMW had this engine bay in mind when they designed their S50 M3 Power Plant. Engine Mods were held to Head-Work, 8.5lb Aluminum Flywheel, HD Clutch, Cold Air Intake and a custom Chip by Jim Conforti taking into account this particular application with the installed exhaust, no Cats, Intake, Oxy Sensor, Flywheel, Curb Weight and 7000 RPM Limiter. It’s absolutely ridiculous how fast this thing is.

 

I stripped the entire TR6 down to a pile of nuts and bolts and shipped off the tub and panels to be Soda Blasted before taking them to the body shop. This gave me the opportunity to tackle the frame and drive line. I started by having the frame sand blasted then welded in a lot of additional steel at all the known and unknown weak spots including the TSI Rear Strengthening Kit and ¼” plate added atop the rear spring mounts. Every factory weld was ground and re-welded to insure zero issues with frame cracking, twist or degradation due to the added HP and suspension modifications. I also had a local race car fabricator custom make a 6-point roll cage that ties into the frame directly via the four body mounts in the cockpit and thru the rear bulkhead and down to the aft frame sections (clears the roof). This is probably the most torsionally stable Triumph Frame you’ll ever find and the driving changes it made are very obvious. Next I coated the frame with POR15 along with all the suspension bits as it holds up much better to rock/road debris than Powder Coating. I utilized all of Richard Good’s suspension upgrades which include Lowered Springs, Sway Bars and Adjustable Trailing Arm Brackets. Due to my prior experience with Koni, I selected Spax Adjustable Shocks all the way around which once set-up match the over-all handling perfectly. I must admit, I had Roger Hurst (local Triumph Racing Legend) actually “set up” the suspension once loaded to insure the proper geometry required to provide the best handling and ride. I also added a new quick ratio steering rack combined with Richard Good’s Aluminum Rack Mounts and a slightly smaller diameter Leather Moto-Lita Steering Wheel. I’m in the aviation business and have access to all sorts of great hardware so all the suspension and brake nuts and bolts were replaced with AN series or Grade 8 at a minimum

 

I changed out the front brakes to Toyota 4-Runner four piston calipers mated to Toyota Cressida vented rotors which as many of you know is a very simple conversion. For the rear I ran across a couple of guys who campaign a full-race TR6 that designed and machined a race-approved disc brake conversion kit to install Wilwood Aluminum Calipers clamping on 280 ZX Rotors. They were in process of commissioning a machine shop to make a few more sets for a new car they were building and were nice enough to have a set made up for me at the same time while sharing their engineering. This is not one of these cheap kits that come around every so often but a serious chunk of machined aluminum that has been approved for use on the track. I also had Classic Tube make a complete set of Stainless Brake lines and sent out the booster for o/h and replaced the master cylinder and filled it all w/ DOT5 fluid. I installed a Wilwood lever-style brake bias adjuster which can be manipulated on the fly by the driver if you want to change the proportion of force front to rear. I have installed a B&M Launch Control Kit (line lock) in the front circuit but I did not wire it up. It’s just one more thing to get me into trouble either by shredding too many tires or by the local law enforcement. It’s fully plumbed and the wires terminated under the dash, just need to hook up the button. The hardware combined with the Bobcat pads make this 6 stop on a dime with no wheel lock-up and much reduced fade.

 

The rear differential is an obvious weak spot along with the rear axles on TR6’s especially when horse power is added. I opted for the Nissan/Infiniti R200 dif as it was extremely easy to adapt to the frame, provided unquestionable strength (the dif of choice in the drifting crowd), super LSD performance and available in a ratio (3.54) between those used by the stock M3 and the full-race M3. I commissioned Kevin at Constant Velocity of Ocalla (FL) to design a set of rear axles utilizing CV-Joints and able to take the added stress of HP I was going to throw at them. As with everything on this car, they weren’t cheap but with out question one of the most required parts to change out which many Mod’ers forgo when hopping up a TR6.

 

I had the entire interior, fender wells, trunk area and bottom of the tub shot by the local Rhino Liner shop after blasting and priming. This stuff totally encapsulates all the known rust areas for future protection and offered an indescribable reduction in noise and heat and increase in solidity. For the body, I chose a BMW M3 color, Imolla Red II which is a beautiful deep and slightly dark red. My body guy sprayed all components and panels separately with a PPG system utilizing Base and Clear Coats. The body is completely assembled with Stainless Steel Fasteners to alleviate any future corrosion and they simply look nice and actual DumDum was sourced in the UK to seal the seams between the fenders/wings and tub. I shaved off the front side markers on the fenders and door locks to clean it up a little but left the original front turn signals under the grill to accommodate state laws. New front and rear light assemblies were installed too. I have two new Bullet Mirrors for the doors which I have not installed as I preferred the look and they are not required in the State of KS. The hood / bonnet cable has been removed in favor of a direct release rod courtesy of Macy’s Garage so no worries about stuck hoods because of broken cables. No other body mods were made as I truly wanted to keep it in stock form to any on-looker.

 

One of the weakest points to any British car is the original electrics and wiring. I contacted Dan Masters of Advance Auto Wire who makes an over-the-top 21st century designed wiring kit for several makes of Brits and had him make me a custom harness for my project. The heart of the system is a power block that utilizes individual fuses for all circuits and relays for all heavy load items just as on current vehicles. It probably added 25bls to the car in copper as the wire gauge was quite oversized compared to the original but well worth the trade off. All the instruments were switched to electric models from AutoMeter and incorporated with the harness. I also replaced all indicator bulbs with high output LEDs. Once I completely ran the new wiring, I removed it before termination and “snake-skinned” the entire thing. Most would have just zip-tied it all but I really can’t handle the mess associated with typical aftermarket harnesses so it truly looks stock. I have wired in a CD/Stereo unit but haven’t felt the need to cut in speakers as the note of the exhaust is all the music I need. The Optima battery has been relocated to the right rear trunk area mounted in a custom keeper and a main battery cut-off switch is mounted on the firewall with the kill-key extending into the glove box for easy access. Both the fuse block and BMW computer are mounted inside the passenger foot well safe from any contact with exterior water or hazards and out of sight.

 

The interior is outfitted with Miata Seats that do have speakers in the headrests and seat heaters to keep your buns warm. They are trimmed in Tan Leather along with all the other interior panels which are piped in a contrasting brown (no Naugats were skinned or harmed as I went the cow skin route rather than Naugahyde). The carpet is tan wool from Heritage and has been installed in a fashion that the floor pieces can be removed on the instance they get wet. The window regulators, channels and seals were all replaced with new units that, believe it or not, don’t rattle. New seat belts were installed as well as a set of racing harnesses for track days. I never particularly liked the TR6 top mechanism as it just sits like a lump behind the seats and detracts from the clean lines of the car. I took this opportunity to modify the bows from an early TR4 as a replacement as it affords for the complete removal of the soft top for stowage in the trunk and the bows tuck out of sight behind an interior panel. The windshield frames between the two cars are the same but I did change the top finisher to the TR4 as its soft top fastens at the front to a lip under this. I never had the intention of purposely driving the car in foul weather but did feel it important to have an emergency plan just in case I got caught out in the rain. I contacted Randy Keller of Prestige Auto Wood to craft me a custom dash laid out in the stock form but for use with the AutoMeter instruments and LED indicators. I chose Hawaiian Koa Wood for this and he also matched a panel for the switch plinth. The visors, mirrors, crash pads, windshield trim, etc. are all replaced with new. An insulated poly transmission tunnel has also been added to replace the original cardboard unit. Back in the trunk, I replaced the original fuel tank with a 16 gallon custom made aluminum unit that resides in the spare tire well.

 

The 17x8 3-piece wheels are BMW Style 5 Composites made by BBS and are found on 5-Series Sport Models; always my favorite style of all time and they look perfect on my TR6. I was not willing to settle for any type of adapter plate to mount them and as luck worked out, the offsets were perfect. I sent them out to a shop in CA who specializes in wheel customization and they disassembled them, filled and re-drilled the centers for the TR6 bolt pattern, sent the centers out for powder coat and polished the rims. I was able to remove the BMW emblems from the center caps and with a little modification install the TR6 chrome emblems with red stickers in their place. They absolutely look factory. I wrapped them with 225/45/17 Falken Azenis RT-615 tires which are a new class of DOT and SCCA Spec race approved tires. They are a little more suitable for daily driving than the typical “R” compound tire while providing exceptional grip.

 

Pretty stupid as I refelct...Guess we all need a hobby.

 

Dave DeWalt

Edited November 14, 2008 by milemarker60

[88V8]

We're all speechless

[foster461]

We're all speechless

 

Totally. My jaw is still resting on the floor.

[Guest ntc]

We're all speechless

 

Not me Ivor just keeping quiet nice job though Mr Dewalt

[jellison]

 

We're all speechless

Get a life - that is an Amazing creation - ep not everyone cup of T. But MEGA.

[foster461]

Get a life - that is an Amazing creation - ep not everyone cup of T. But MEGA.

 

Jon, I assume that is why Ivor is speechless.

[Alec Pringle]

Hi Dave,

 

"Pretty stupid, as I reflect" . . . you cannot be serious, that's salutary misuse of American English ! "Totally insane, ought to be locked up and the key thrown away" might be a more appropriate reflection ?

 

What an amazing hotrod, absolutely extraordinary, by any standards it's wholly exceptional.

 

It's be good to see it used in anger, just for the heck of it - to see how it really does go . . . .

 

As a monument to automotive eccentricity and sheer commitment, it's just got to be up there in the First Division.

 

Congratulations !

 

Cheers,

 

Alec

[TR 2100]

As a monument to automotive eccentricity and sheer commitment,

it's just got to be up there in the First Division.

 

Nah, Premier (for football fans).

 

Absolutely jawdropping - that's the only word for it.

If you are going to do something, do it properly.

miulemarker60 has certainly done that.

 

AlanR

[TomZ]

Does it move on its own??

There a nice site to post videos, it's called "youtube"!

 

 

Tom