Francois HENOTTR3B Posted November 5, 2023 Report Share Posted November 5, 2023 (edited) Hi everybody, This TR2 has been auctioned twice, and has not been sold. Surprising because it seemed to be a quite interesting car, properly restored with attention to authenticity... May be the lack of O/D & W/W is a start of an explanation? Does someone know this car, and is able to confirm that it was cared after ? Owners were Tr Register members? Many thks therefore. Edited November 14, 2023 by Francois HENOTTR3B Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stuart Posted November 6, 2023 Report Share Posted November 6, 2023 Very poor panel fit and no real attention to correct early car detail (Despite claims in the catalogue) is why it didnt sell I would imagine plus probably too high a reserve. Stuart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francois HENOTTR3B Posted November 6, 2023 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2023 (edited) Thks a lot Edited November 14, 2023 by Francois HENOTTR3B Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stuart Posted November 6, 2023 Report Share Posted November 6, 2023 4 minutes ago, Francois HENOTTR3B said: Thks Stuart! I had noticed the poor panel fit on the rear (spare wheel cover).. Doors and bootlid as well. But interior and underbonnet details also wrong. Stuart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlueTR3A-5EKT Posted November 6, 2023 Report Share Posted November 6, 2023 Where shall we start on the lack of authenticity? Me first. Repro front apron badge. Temperature sender capillary coiled like a drunken snake and clipped to the bulkhead. What’s going on with the boot seal and its channel? Looks a bit post 60 k to me with a piece of TR6 boot seal added. Are there any boot channel corner drains? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Richardtr3a Posted November 6, 2023 Report Share Posted November 6, 2023 The chassis number is TS 3456 which may be correct but I have never seen sequential numbers before. They may exist ??? Do we know the reserve yet ? Peter, Your checking is very accurate. Is it correct to have the fuel pipe over the rear SU when connecting the front carb to the rear one Well done to all watchers Richard & B Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stuart Posted November 6, 2023 Report Share Posted November 6, 2023 Interior, tonneau studs on the capping not further forward by the screen, door pulls wrong and wrong forward location, grab handle chrome should be black. Rear tank board completely wrong should be plain vinyl with no visible fixings. Later dash capping with hole for vent pull just covered over by vinyl, post 60K back end by the looks of it with as noted by Peter the later type boot rubber position, Chrome rocker cover not black, re-stamped chassis plate only fixed by three rivets and incorrectly placed, Body plates riveted on not screwed, incorrect hood and obviously large tenax used instead of miniature. The catalogue listing clearly states the restorer was trying to restore to as original spec as possible. Stuart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlueTR3A-5EKT Posted November 6, 2023 Report Share Posted November 6, 2023 52 minutes ago, Richardtr3a said: The chassis number is TS 3456 which may be correct but I have never seen sequential numbers before. They may exist ??? Do we know the reserve yet ? Peter, Your checking is very accurate. Is it correct to have the fuel pipe over the rear SU when connecting the front carb to the rear one Well done to all watchers Richard & B Yes this is correct for this car. TR2 with H4 the rigid pipe goes over the top between the carbs and the banjo fittings that attach the pipe to the carb are on the engine side of the carbs. On H6 the pipe goes down and the banjo fixings are on the air cleaner side of the carbs. Change in float lids effects this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lebro Posted November 6, 2023 Report Share Posted November 6, 2023 1 hour ago, BlueTR3A-5EKT said: What’s going on with the boot seal and its channel? Looks a bit post 60 k to me with a piece of TR6 boot seal added. Are there any boot channel corner drains? There is a visible hole in the left side corner. Hinges are not raised, so probably not a post 60000 rear end. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlueTR3A-5EKT Posted November 6, 2023 Report Share Posted November 6, 2023 Just now, Lebro said: There is a visible hole in the left side corner. Hinges are not raised, so probably not a post 60000 rear end. The channel and gutter arrangement is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rod1883 Posted November 6, 2023 Report Share Posted November 6, 2023 The boot channel and gutter are the same as, or at least similar to, mine. I know it isn't correct but it's how the restorer recreated the rear end with repro panels for me - I suspect the early double channel arrangement would need to be fabricated by hand. It's not an issue for me - but I'm not claiming absolute originality. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francois HENOTTR3B Posted November 6, 2023 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2023 Woaw, thks for those experts comments! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
roger murray-evans Posted November 7, 2023 Report Share Posted November 7, 2023 Even has stainless wing beading on the front wings hidden under the paint. Roger M-E Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lebro Posted November 7, 2023 Report Share Posted November 7, 2023 51 minutes ago, roger murray-evans said: Even has stainless wing beading on the front wings hidden under the paint. Roger M-E Yep, & at the back too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlueTR3A-5EKT Posted November 7, 2023 Report Share Posted November 7, 2023 Clean and tidy car otherwise for £10-15k Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stuart Posted November 7, 2023 Report Share Posted November 7, 2023 5 minutes ago, BlueTR3A-5EKT said: Clean and tidy car otherwise for £10-15k I suspect the reserve is a lot more than that hence the no sale. Stuart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John McCormack Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 (edited) On 11/7/2023 at 3:36 AM, stuart said: Interior, tonneau studs on the capping not further forward by the screen, door pulls wrong and wrong forward location, grab handle chrome should be black. Rear tank board completely wrong should be plain vinyl with no visible fixings. Later dash capping with hole for vent pull just covered over by vinyl, post 60K back end by the looks of it with as noted by Peter the later type boot rubber position, Chrome rocker cover not black, re-stamped chassis plate only fixed by three rivets and incorrectly placed, Body plates riveted on not screwed, incorrect hood and obviously large tenax used instead of miniature. The catalogue listing clearly states the restorer was trying to restore to as original spec as possible. Stuart. I largely agree but this is a later long door TR2 and some of the features you refer to only apply to the earlier cars. Large tenax were used from Commission number TS3514 but I believe the tonneau studs had moved back to the capping quite early in the TR2 build. I received a long tonneau from John Skinner for my long door car (TS3732O) which has the studs on the capping not under the windscreen. This car is a genuine 3 owner car, I'm the 3rd owner, and the 2nd owner knew the car when the 1st owner owned it. John believed the studs moved to the capping at about TS5200. My other TR2 (TS5038O), also original, has the studs on the capping. This was confirmed by the original owner who I met last year. I researched the matter and sent John numerous photos of TR2s post about TS1250 with the studs on the capping. He sent me material for a new tonneau as it was too difficult to return the wrong one from Australia. The subject car is clearly a cut and shut of two cars. The rear is a late 3A, it has poor panel alignment, and the front apron has a protruding jaw indicating it has been repaired incorrectly. The car has had a major crash. Many of the other details are easily fixed, these ones aren't. Edited November 10, 2023 by John McCormack Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nigel C Posted November 11, 2023 Report Share Posted November 11, 2023 but apart from that.............. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Francois HENOTTR3B Posted November 11, 2023 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2023 (edited) On 11/10/2023 at 8:54 AM, John McCormack said: I largely agree but this is a later long door TR2 and some of the features you refer to only apply to the earlier cars. Large tenax were used from Commission number TS3514 but I believe the tonneau studs had moved back to the capping quite early in the TR2 build. I received a long tonneau from John Skinner for my long door car (TS3732O) which has the studs on the capping not under the windscreen. This car is a genuine 3 owner car, I'm the 3rd owner, and the 2nd owner knew the car when the 1st owner owned it. John believed the studs moved to the capping at about TS5200. My other TR2 (TS5038O), also original, has the studs on the capping. This was confirmed by the original owner who I met last year. I researched the matter and sent John numerous photos of TR2s post about TS1250 with the studs on the capping. He sent me material for a new tonneau as it was too difficult to return the wrong one from Australia. The subject car is clearly a cut and shut of two cars. The rear is a late 3A, it has poor panel alignment, and the front apron has a protruding jaw indicating it has been repaired incorrectly. The car has had a major crash. Many of the other details are easily fixed, these ones aren't. Thks a lot John for this comprehensive topic ! Edited November 14, 2023 by Francois HENOTTR3B Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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