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Hi Folks,

yesterdays run out went OK. The engine felt good but on tick over it is a bit lumpy.

This morning I checked the mixture as best I can with a colour tune and it did sort of what it should do. I'm no expert with the CT.

 

So Q #1 - do these performance cams (Moss TT1104N road cam) make the tick over lumpy?

Q #2 - if it shouldn't be lumpy what would cause the lumpiness.?

 

Going out for another run this afternoon to see if things settle down.

 

Roger

In a word yes, if you have the tickover up at around 900 then its not so bad. Make sure you have the correct valve clearances too as that makes a world of difference, you may also find you get "run on" now

Stuart.

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Hi Stuart,

Thanks for that.

 

The Moss TT1104N Road cam is the next one up from the standard cam.

I wouldn't have thought there would have been much difference but it does drive much more enthusiastically.

 

It is ticking over at apprx 1500rpm and is not running on.

 

Tomorrow I will take it all apart again and re-check the Moss setting up instructions - I may be a few degrees out Is the vernier sprocket worth having

I shall double check the timing using John Davis's balanced tappets method as shown in the WSM - it worked well on the last cam.

 

This should be quicker than last week as I know where all the problems are now.

 

Roger

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Hi Folks,

thanks for all your comments.

I shall be putting all back together this morning (for the second time in a week) and I'll see if I can calm it down.

 

Perhaps a visit to a decent garage that can set all the clever bits is on the cards.

 

Roger

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Hi Folks,

the car is all back together. Tomorrow I'll turn the key :o

The setting up instructions were followed to the letter this time and last time.

As for the lumpy tick over I have been told that the carbs will need tuning to suit the new breathing etc.

 

So assuming the engine starts I'll investigate a local tuning specialist to sort the mixture and timing.

 

At least the knocking has gone. :):)

 

Roger

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Well done Roger.

You have worked hard and perservered ive got my fingers crossed ???? but Im sure you have sorted it.

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A lot of work and expense has resulted from a dodgy part. God know what the cost would have been if you couldnt do the work and it was via a commercial specialist !!!

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Hi Hamish,

indeed the costs do mount up.

 

Not sure why the cam failed I was only 2 years old - apprx 25,000 miles or so. Makes you wonder.

 

The previous cam lasted apprx 10 years so about 100,000+ miles

The originals ST cam did 89,000 miles before I had the car (I assume it was the original)

I then put another 7 years (70,000 miles ) on it.

 

They don't make cheese like they used to do.

 

Roger

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Hi Folks,

went for a long run today to see if the new cam is happy.

It runs very well but as I mentioned above the tick over is quite lumpy.

The front two pots were a little lean and the rear two a little rich. So have tweaked the main jets a little.

 

It occurred to me on the run that I have not balanced the airflow going into the carbs.

They were set up good before the change but the new cam may require it re-setting.

 

So tomorrow I'll balance the intake and hope that helps a little.

 

Roger

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Hi Folks,

quite a gap form my last post.

The tick over air flow balancing was a fair bit out. This was sorted but with no real improvement on the tickover.

 

Have put a few miles on the new cam and it does run very well over 2000rpm BUT!!! the fuel consumption has gone haywire. From about 35mpg to about 25mpg.

 

All I want is a decent quality standard cam for touring long distances.

 

I was reading the technical spec for the Newman cams and they say that their PH1 gives a smooth tickover etc etc.

So I took the plunge and now have another quality cam. I shall install this sometime this month.

Because the Kent cam was badly machined (front spigot for the cam sprocket being 0.008" too big) I will need to purchase another new sprocket.

 

Good fun.

 

Roger

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Roger

Are you finding the Kent road cam you used was too hot ?

 

How does the Newman ph1 compare to it.

Nice to have others using one successfully

 

H

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Roger

Are you finding the Kent road cam you used was too hot ?

 

How does the Newman ph1 compare to it.

Nice to have others using one successfully

 

H

 

Hi Hamish

I haven;t fitted the Newman cam yet so do not know what it is like.

 

The Kent TT1104N compared to the standard cam is very aggressive and it is just a 'Road' cam.

It should be interesting to see what the Newman does.

 

I am quite prepared to find it is something that I am doing wrong , but I can't see that at present.

 

I'll probably swap them over next week - prepare for another saga..

 

Roger

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Hi Hamish,

here are the numbers -

 

TT1104N (851-051) is

Valve Timing 31/67 67/31,

lift .290",

timed at 108 deg,

duration 278 deg;

 

Newman PH1 (similar to the Elgin 70-9 on this listing http://www.tildentechnologies.com/Cams/TriumphCams.html

Valve timing 30/70 70/30

Cam lift 270

Timed at 110

Duration 280

 

and the Piper BP270 is

22/66 66/22

Valve lift .411" at the rocker arm

duration 272 deg

timed at 110.

The Kent cam equivalent appears more aggressive than these two.

 

Roger

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Hi Roger

 

Since early 2012 I have had a PH1 in my 4A, very satisfied with it after loosing two cams previously(similar damage to yours). I also fitted the Newman EN40B steel cam followers.

 

The PH1 is smoother and gives more low down torque and I achieve 35 mpg on a run.

 

I believe that the Kent cam is based on a Ford profile which is not really suited to a TR.

 

Cheers

Graeme

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Hi Graeme,

thanks for the info.

 

When I spoke to Newman I mentioned about followers and that I had just fitted the TRiumphTune (Moss) lightweight followers and they said they would be fine.

I'm now wondering if I should have gone for the chilled steel or 40B followers.

 

I am using a 'new' moss head (installed at the same time as the previous cam, 2 years ago) and am now wondering what valve springs they have fitted.

They are double springs but do not know the poundage etc. I would be happy with the lightest springs as I hardly do any revs.

 

Roger

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Roger

 

 

I have a set or Revington uprated cam followers in my car which seem to work fine, standard Stanpart cam fitted, and have no problems. The followers look very much like the Moss triumphtune items

 

https://www.revingtontr.com/product/rtr1024/name/follower-cam-phosphated-and-drilled-tr2-4a

 

cheers

 

Alan

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