brian-nz Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 Hi. Can anyone tell me about the Winchester Blue colour. Is it a light blue or dark blue and what would be the closest modern colour to this. Regards Brian Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RandallD Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 Hi Brian- I just looked at this colour in an old chip book for a friend the other day. Here is a picture comparing Salvador Blue on the left, and Winchester Blue on the right. Regards, Randy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Don Elliott Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 Here is a Salvador Blue TR3. Many say Salvador and Winchester are the same. I also heard that Wedgewood might also the same. This blue was used on later TR3s and few very early TR3As. To me the colour chips above are very close as shown, but the colour is not the colour that was used on the TRs. Maybe these colour chips have faded with time or it was hard to capture the true blue colour. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alec Pringle Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 Hi Don, Salvador and Winchester are most definitely not the same shade. Salvador Blue was the earlier colour, and the lighter shade, superceded by the darker Winchester Blue. The difference in reality is rather greater than that shown on the paint chips illustrated - but then paint chips can and do alter with time. Wedgwood Blue (no 'e'!) is another kettle of fish entirely. Cheers, Alec Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TR 2100 Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 (edited) Here is a Salvador Blue TR3. Many say Salvador and Winchester are the same. I also heard that Wedgewood might also the same. This blue was used on later TR3s and few very early TR3As. To me the colour chips above are very close as shown, but the colour is not the colour that was used on the TRs. Maybe these colour chips have faded with time or it was hard to capture the true blue colour. Looking at the only colour chips, I wouldn't choose either for any TR of mine. BUT - having seen a TR3 in Winchester Blue at IWE, it looked gorgeous. Winchester and Salvador are, I believe, very close, but both completely different from Powder Blue. Go by Don's photo - that's how it really looks. AlanR Edited December 21, 2009 by TR 2100 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RandallD Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 Looking at the only colour chips, I wouldn't choose either for any TR of mine. AlanR Alan- Definitely agree with you, as I think that is the main problem with choosing a colour from a small chip - and also the problem with taking a photograph of a small chip. Seeing a car in person, or at least photographs of a car is a lot better way to judge how much you like the colour. The main utility of the chips is comparison as well as the occasional purchase at the paint shop. Randy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stuart Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 My Avatar is a Salvador Blue (Only used for 6 months of 1956) which roughly equates to Squadron blue (Jaguar) and believe it or not I notice that the new BMW minis are available in a shade of blue virtually identical to Salvador although I dont know what they call it. Winchester is definitely darker although still a very good "period" colour. Powder blue as per the "works" TR4s is much lighter and wedgwood is a purpleish blue. Stuart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Don Elliott Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 During my visit to S-T Day at Gaydon in 2004, I took a photo Of Richard Pilcher's TR3 which I believe was sprayed in California. Check with the office in Didcot how you can contact him about what colour he has. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BrianC Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 My Avatar is a Salvador Blue... Talking of which...when is this car (not the avatar) going to be revealed to the World? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TR3BGeorge Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 Hi. Can anyone tell me about the Winchester Blue colour. Is it a light blue or dark blue and what would be the closest modern colour to this. Regards Brian ditzlerautopaint.com has always been a good source of paint colors. On their home page, at the top right, they have a "100 Years of Paint Chips" link. Unfortunately, that link does not respond, and I don't know how long it is out of commission. Try it periodically, and see if you can get thru. I also tried various Ditzler Paint Code sites, but none lists Winchester Blue. If you can find the old Ditzler Number, PPG will probably be able to match it to the current Winchester Blue. Good luck - paint colors are quite a frustrating search. I'll keep on trying, from this side of the pond. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RandallD Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 And I neglected to add the actual information on the paint chip, the paint codes. Here is what is listed for Winchester, perhaps this can be cross referenced to a modern equivalent: Berger 4D.1350 Docker CHB.5 Glasso 18352 ICI 2922 Cheers, Randy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ian Vincent Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 And I neglected to add the actual information on the paint chip, the paint codes. Here is what is listed for Winchester, perhaps this can be cross referenced to a modern equivalent: Berger 4D.1350 Docker CHB.5 Glasso 18352 ICI 2922 Cheers, Randy My paint code sheet has the following: Salvador Blue = Dockers BF5323 or ICI-2759 Winchester Blue = Dockers BF5944 or ICI-2922 Rgds Ian Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Herald948 Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 ditzlerautopaint.com has always been a good source of paint colors. On their home page, at the top right, they have a "100 Years of Paint Chips" link. Unfortunately, that link does not respond, and I don't know how long it is out of commission. Try it periodically, and see if you can get thru....Digging around the Ditzler site, I had the same problem on the home page but tried the same link on another page and got: autocolorlibrary.com Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stuart Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 (edited) Talking of which...when is this car (not the avatar) going to be revealed to the World? Long story Brian and known to some of our members Some pictures of her. The car is alive and well and performing "other duties" Stuart. Edited December 22, 2009 by stuart Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BrianC Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 The car is alive and well... A beautiful car in a very rare colour (my favourite after almost any standard shade of green ) - and doubtless all your own work. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alec Pringle Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 A few useful scans courtesy of VTR http://www.vintagetriumphregister.org/maintain/paint-charts/index.shtml Cheers, Alec Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stuart Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 A beautiful car in a very rare colour (my favourite after almost any standard shade of green ) - and doubtless all your own work. Most certainly was! Virtually nut and bolt ground up and fully documented with bare metal cellulose paintwork in 2003. Stuart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ntc Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 Most certainly was! Virtually nut and bolt ground up and fully documented with bare metal cellulose paintwork in 2003. Stuart. chrissy prezzy to me Stuart Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stuart Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 chrissy prezzy to me Stuart Neil you have PM. Stuart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Don Elliott Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 (edited) Here is a Winchester Blue TR2. I can't see much difference between this and the Salvador Blue TR3s above. Edited December 22, 2009 by Don Elliott Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alec Pringle Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 Hi Don, colour photography is an inaccurate art, not a science ! I can recall seeing original Salvador and Winchester Blue cars side by side back in the 70s - the colour difference isn't one shade, it's about three. But even when you photograph the two colours together, the difference is less to the camera than to the Mk 1 eyeball. More recently I've seen supposed Salvador and Winchester Blue cars together - modern resprays, and no doubt different paint formulations. The two colours were much closer than I recall them from my relative youth - when I liked Winchester, and not Salvador ! Cheers, Alec Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BrianC Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 Photos taken in different locations and/or light conditions or even in different directions can dramatically alter the colour (as in the first pair of Stuart's photos). I wonder if the car in Don's photo is actually meant to be Ice Blue (see registration plate). Colour matching for resprays rarely produces the exact original shade and after 40-50 years, even matching to a hidden patch of the original bodywork probably isn't 100% reliable. I also wonder if the scientific mixing to original formulation is 100% accurate, given the different components (pigments and chemicals) used in modern paints. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stuart Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 (edited) The only way to get an accurate match is to find an original unfaded section of paint (say under one of the cockpit cappings) and then get it spectrum analysed by your paint factors. This will give the best match possible even allowing for modern pigments/tinters. FWIW The first of my pictures has been photoshopped and the second was taken on a camera phone and the other montage was done through a scanned set of glossy photos as at the time I didnt have a digital camera hence the differences (The camera can lie ) Stuart. Edited December 23, 2009 by stuart Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RandallD Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 Here is a Winchester Blue TR2. I can't see much difference between this and the Salvador Blue TR3s above. Don- The age of the paint chips aside, there is a difference - but I can easily see how it would be difficult to discern without getting two cars side by side. It looks to me that Salvador has a very slight greenish tint to the colour which Winchester doesn't have. But I respectfully disagree with you if you are suggesting that it is just a renamed colour - multiple paint companies carried separate paint codes for the two variants. Regards, Randy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tr4Tony Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 Hi Worth a talk to Steve Hall at TR Enterprises as he has just (last year) completed one of the Works 'SRW' TR3's, which I believe is Salvador Blue. Raced at Silverstone this year for those that saw it. As far as Im aware its done in a modern paint formulation which im sure TR Enterprises could share with others. Regards Tony Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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