peejay4A Posted February 4, 2020 Report Share Posted February 4, 2020 That’s not what I was suggesting. You won’t feel or see movement between the wheel taper and the hub adaptor taper if you’re just using hand power. Under drive and braking the forces are much greater and clonks can appear even if the spinners seem to be tight. There’s always some play between the hub adaptor and wheel splines. This is what Z320 was describing further up the thread. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Z320 Posted February 4, 2020 Report Share Posted February 4, 2020 (edited) I lock them with a tool with 300 Nm..... Edited February 4, 2020 by Z320 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tim D. Posted February 4, 2020 Report Share Posted February 4, 2020 Supple is a good word for it. sort of feels like I need to add a few clicks to my rear shocks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Z320 Posted February 4, 2020 Report Share Posted February 4, 2020 (edited) But I asked Ian if the clonk is still the same as with the old drive shafts - and it is different. So the clonks can not (only) be slack wheel caps. Edited February 4, 2020 by Z320 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Z320 Posted February 5, 2020 Report Share Posted February 5, 2020 (edited) Hi Ian, for you I have been under my TR last night to check. My classic drive shafts are about 40.000 miles old (how time runs!) and I feel and hear a noticeable play. But less than your CV shafts and very much less than my old ones. But I have no clonks, as told, caps locked with 300 Nm (and no grease on the tappered surfaces). Sone kind of dangerous for me to claim this is the reason - but it could be (part of the problem). Perhaps another member of this forum would be so kind to check also on his car. Ciao, Marco Edited February 5, 2020 by Z320 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iani Posted February 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Z320 said: Hi Ian, for you I have been under my TR last night to check. My classic drive shafts are about 40.000 miles old (how time runs!) and I feel and hear a noticeable play. But less than your CV shafts and very much less than my old ones. But I have no clonks, as told, caps locked with 300 Nm (and no grease on the tappered surfaces). Sone kind of dangerous for me to claim this is the reason - but it could be (part of the problem). Perhaps another member of this forum would be so kind to check also on his car. Ciao, Marco Thanks Marco, a new pair of shafts are being delivered tomorrow, excellent customer service from the manufacturer. The same cannot be said of the supplier, yet again Rimmer’s terrible service, over the last 30 years I have told myself many times to stop using them, perhaps this time I will finally stick to it. Ian Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Z320 Posted February 5, 2020 Report Share Posted February 5, 2020 Ian, you have spinners, not octagonal caps? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
astontr6 Posted February 5, 2020 Report Share Posted February 5, 2020 1 hour ago, iani said: Thanks Marco, a new pair of shafts are being delivered tomorrow, excellent customer service from the manufacturer. The same cannot be said of the supplier, yet again Rimmer’s terrible service, over the last 30 years I have told myself many times to stop using them, perhaps this time I will finally stick to it. Ian You need to take this problem up with Roger of the TR Register QA team. I have had similar problems with Moss over many years but in the end have always got them sorted. Bruce. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted February 5, 2020 Report Share Posted February 5, 2020 2 hours ago, iani said: Thanks Marco, a new pair of shafts are being delivered tomorrow, excellent customer service from the manufacturer. The same cannot be said of the supplier, yet again Rimmer’s terrible service, over the last 30 years I have told myself many times to stop using them, perhaps this time I will finally stick to it. Ian 56 minutes ago, astontr6 said: You need to take this problem up with Roger of the TR Register QA team. I have had similar problems with Moss over many years but in the end have always got them sorted. Bruce. It would look like that Ian has a replacement. It will be interesting the see if the problem is solved with this or if it still exists. Clearly the product should not be dicky but if it is then the supplier NOT the manufacturer is responsible. I don;t know why Rimmer's are not being helpful but if the manufacturer did not come to the rescue then the PQI would try to help. It is not always the fault of the supplier when selling boxed goods but their recovery process is always an indicator of whether to trade with them or not. In the end had Rimmer's received Ian's dodgy CV they would have returned it to the manufacturer for a credit. Keep us up dated. Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iani Posted February 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2020 2 hours ago, Z320 said: Ian, you have spinners, not octagonal caps? Yes, two eared spinners. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
astontr6 Posted February 6, 2020 Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 22 hours ago, RogerH said: It would look like that Ian has a replacement. It will be interesting the see if the problem is solved with this or if it still exists. Clearly the product should not be dicky but if it is then the supplier NOT the manufacturer is responsible. I don;t know why Rimmer's are not being helpful but if the manufacturer did not come to the rescue then the PQI would try to help. It is not always the fault of the supplier when selling boxed goods but their recovery process is always an indicator of whether to trade with them or not. In the end had Rimmer's received Ian's dodgy CV they would have returned it to the manufacturer for a credit. Keep us up dated. Roger Hi Roger ! I take your point as you know, I had a problem with my Wasp starter motor. I took it back to them and they tested it but were no happy with the performance and they gave me a new one even though it was 3 1/2 years old ? Now that's what I call service! So I went away a happy camper apart from the fact that it has to be wired through a relay, which is not stated in their instructions! which I pointed out to them. Bruce. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iani Posted February 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2020 I received a replacement set of driveshafts from Alasdair on Thursday, my mechanic friend & I decided to refit a sound pair of standard shafts to prove the diff wasn't the cause of the noise, it wasn't as they are silent. One of the new pair of shafts seems to have even more play in it than the noisy one so I'm not sure I want to fit them, I will take it up with Alasdair directly, hopefully on Sunday. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JochemsTR Posted February 9, 2020 Report Share Posted February 9, 2020 On 2/7/2020 at 11:47 PM, iani said: I received a replacement set of driveshafts from Alasdair on Thursday, my mechanic friend & I decided to refit a sound pair of standard shafts to prove the diff wasn't the cause of the noise, it wasn't as they are silent. One of the new pair of shafts seems to have even more play in it than the noisy one so I'm not sure I want to fit them, I will take it up with Alasdair directly, hopefully on Sunday. Ian, what was your motivation for the cv shafts? Still cannot convince myself getting them. Jochem Quote Link to post Share on other sites
astontr6 Posted February 9, 2020 Report Share Posted February 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, JochemsTR said: Ian, what was your motivation for the cv shafts? Still cannot convince myself getting them. Jochem Hi Jochem! I went to CV's because of the amount of greasing required as it was an annual event and how difficult it was to grease the outer U/Js. Then there was the risk of the stub axle breaking on 40+ year old drive shafts as what happen to a friend of mine, with me in the passenger seat. It does not give you a lot of confidence when you see a rear wheel pass you by when you are turning into my drive and the car becomes a 3 wheeler. I went for the Lamora type which are made by a very large EU company making these types of products, so far no trouble. I think that they are based upon VW components. The only gripe that I have is that the splines need to be hand fitted and that would be beyond most people unless you have a toolmaking back ground like me. When I drove my car after fitting them, rear spring whine up was gone from the rear and lock up of splines. Bruce. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Z320 Posted February 9, 2020 Report Share Posted February 9, 2020 Hi, I bought uprated classic driveshafts years ago because my TR 4A is a classic car. Rear hubs are new from Goodparts, U-joints are the uprated ones. To grease the outer U-jointa I used a special tool. Easy job with it. Ciao, Marco Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted February 9, 2020 Report Share Posted February 9, 2020 Hi Marco, do you use the flat headed grease nipples ? https://www.landefeld.com/gruppe/en/straight-flat-grease-nipple-head-diameter-22-mm-din-3404/SNM22M16X15 Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iani Posted February 9, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2020 6 hours ago, JochemsTR said: Ian, what was your motivation for the cv shafts? Still cannot convince myself getting them. Jochem The warnings about the age of the original stub axles and the possibility of failure, I assumed that fitting an all new assembly would remove the risk of failure. I have fitted the best pair of the four original shafts/hubs that I have and I have no clonks at all. I wish I'd spent a little more and gone for uprated original style shafts, as it is I'm left holding a pair of new, unfitted shafts and a pair of hubs that have done less than 30 miles. I haven't heard anything from Rimmers yet, I spoke with them at Stoneleigh today however so perhaps tomorrow will bring some contact. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Z320 Posted February 9, 2020 Report Share Posted February 9, 2020 Hi Roger, this grease nipples are huge! No, I use standard grease nipples with a special tool / adaptor. If wanted I can show in another thread. Ciao, Marco Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jpmf Posted February 9, 2020 Report Share Posted February 9, 2020 8 hours ago, Z320 said: To grease the outer U-jointa I used a special tool. Easy job with it. Ciao, Marco Or drill a 20mm hole in the underside of the trailing arm in line with the centre of the UJ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Z320 Posted February 9, 2020 Report Share Posted February 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, jpmf said: Or drill a 20mm hole in the underside of the trailing arm in line with the centre of the UJ Hi jpmf, that's lovely , to post THIS I've been really badly abused at a german TR-forum, this is why I do not mention this anymore (btw a drill 15 mm also works). Who want's to do this - only use a push grease gun. One with a locking mouth you don't get off anymore. Ciao, Marco Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted February 9, 2020 Report Share Posted February 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, Z320 said: Who want's to do this - only use a push grease gun. One with a locking mouth you don't get off anymore. Ciao, Marco Hi Marco, could you rotate the drive shaft to remove the grease gun nozzle off the shaft nipple.? Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Z320 Posted February 9, 2020 Report Share Posted February 9, 2020 (edited) Me and X are on the grease nipples of the outer UJ, not of the drive shaft Edited February 9, 2020 by Z320 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted February 9, 2020 Report Share Posted February 9, 2020 Yes. That is what I am saying. Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stagpowered Posted February 9, 2020 Report Share Posted February 9, 2020 I was amazed how much play was in that new joint, I have had knackered splined shafts that moved that much on both Stags and TRs and have replaced them with new splined shafts in the past. I have rejected second hand splined shafts with less play than that! Neil Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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