TR NIALL Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 Anyone know if Coopers or Crossland Filters can still be Bought. Coopers Z48. Crossland 037. Both above Filters are the Long Type that I prefer for TR6 but cannot seem to get them anymore,Help. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steves_TR6 Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 Not sure about those Niall, I go for the K&n as it has a nice nut on the bottom to aid removal :-) Think it's an hp2009. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kevo_6 Posted July 19, 2015 Report Share Posted July 19, 2015 +1 k&n Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TR NIALL Posted July 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2015 Thanks Steve/Kev, I got fixed up with Filters that have a Large Nut on the Bottom for easy removal but not at the price of those KN Filters,6 Filters for €25,Happy Days. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
monty Posted July 20, 2015 Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 Thanks Steve/Kev, I got fixed up with Filters that have a Large Nut on the Bottom for easy removal but not at the price of those KN Filters,6 Filters for €25,Happy Days. I would not want to compromise on my oil filters. The quality of some leave a lot to be desired as confirmed by a report I read some time ago that involved a number of quality tests carried out on a range of manufacturers items. Cannot remember where it was now, the States Possibly, but Fram in particular came out poorly I seem to remember. I use the K & N HP2009 in both my cars, only a few £'s more than the others but I think worth it. What's a few quid in the scheme of things! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Don H. Posted July 20, 2015 Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 I would not want to compromise on my oil filters. The quality of some leave a lot to be desired as confirmed by a report I read some time ago that involved a number of quality tests carried out on a range of manufacturers items. Cannot remember where it was now, the States Possibly, but Fram in particular came out poorly I seem to remember. I use the K & N HP2009 in both my cars, only a few £'s more than the others but I think worth it. What's a few quid in the scheme of things! There have been a number of internet-based oil filter dissection reports, with people drawing conclusions based on visual examination. Not especially technical from what I've seen. Perhaps you've seen something more rigorous, monty? One of the better ways to judge the health of engine and oil is to regularly do analysis of the spent oil. Blackstone Labs in the US is one company offering such a service, for about £16 ($25) per sample . I'm sure there's a UK equivalent. I have a kit on my shelf and plan to start baseline testing my just-breaking-in rebuilt engine at the next change. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnG Posted July 20, 2015 Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 (edited) All Having spent the last 28 years of my working life employed in the manufacture of oil filters, maybe I can offer some small pearls of wisdom; Quality is everything. The filter in any fluid system is there to do one thing and one thing only . . extend the service life of the components in the working system. Every other component is generating contaminants, which will destroy the working system. By not using the most apprpriate filter, the system is compromised. The system can be hydraulic, pneumatic or an engine. The principles of wear are exactly the same The primary points to consider are; - quality of media; good quality media costs money . . its performance has been tested and proven - quantity of media; the quickest way to reduce cost is the reduce the area of media in the filter - efficiency; how effective the media is at removing and retaining particulates at its designed size rating - dirt holding capacity; the greater the DHC the longer the filter will serve the system For test data look up; - for fuel systems; single pass test - for oil systems; multipass test Best quality filters on the market today; (in no particulare order) - Pall - Parker - Hydac - Knecht The above do not all do everything for everyone, they specialise. Parker probably have the most comprehensive range For fuel, I would only use Racor (owned by Parker) Racor developed Aquablok, a patented hydrophobic media for diesel and gasoline I would not, under any circumstances, use Separ I still run training workshops on fluid hygiene and system cleanliness John Ruskin is credited with saying; It's unwise to pay too much, but it's worse to pay too little. When you pay too much, you lose a little money that is all. When you pay too little, you sometimes lose everything, because the thing you bought was incapable of doing the thing it was bought to do. The common law of business balance prohibits paying a little and getting a lot it can't be done. If you deal with the lowest bidder, it is well to add something for the risk you run, and if you do that you will have enough to pay for something better. Nothing is more accurate Buy the best filter you can afford gents Edited July 20, 2015 by wjgco Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Don H. Posted July 20, 2015 Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 All Having spent the last 28 years of my working life employed in the manufacture of oil filters, maybe I can offer some small pearls of wisdom; Quality is everything. The filter in any fluid system is there to do one thing and one thing only . . extend the service life of the components in the working system. Every other component is generating contaminants, which will destroy the working system. By not using the most apprpriate filter, the system is compromised. The system can be hydraulic, pneumatic or an engine. The principles of wear are exactly the same The primary points to consider are; - quality of media; good quality media costs money . . its performance has been tested and proven - quantity of media; the quickest way to reduce cost is the reduce the area of media in the filter - efficiency; how effective the media is at removing and retaining particulates at its designed size rating - dirt holding capacity; the greater the DHC the longer the filter will serve the system For test data look up; - for fuel systems; single pass test - for oil systems; multipass test Best quality filters on the market today; (in no particulare order) - Pall - Parker - Hydac - Knecht The above do not all do everything for everyone, they specialise. Parker probably have the most comprehensive range For fuel, I would only use Racor (owned by Parker) Racor developed Aquablok, a patented hydrophobic media for diesel and gasoline I would not, under any circumstances, use Separ I still run training workshops on fluid hygiene and system cleanliness John Ruskin is credited with saying; It's unwise to pay too much, but it's worse to pay too little. When you pay too much, you lose a little money that is all. When you pay too little, you sometimes lose everything, because the thing you bought was incapable of doing the thing it was bought to do. The common law of business balance prohibits paying a little and getting a lot it can't be done. If you deal with the lowest bidder, it is well to add something for the risk you run, and if you do that you will have enough to pay for something better. Nothing is more accurate Buy the best filter you can afford gents John, thanks for your perspective, but I gotta say all that information really isn't that helpful. I suspect there are books of information one would need to digest... Do you have any references to Pall, Parker, or Hydac oil filters for passenger car applications? Do you have any idea if Mahle/Knecht make a cartridge for the wet liner Triumph four? How can one find out anything about media quality, media surface area, DHC, or anything else to make an informed decision about buying the best one can afford? I'm confused... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Eddie Cairns Posted July 20, 2015 Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 It is difficult to get info on any good info on oil filters to then compare filter make A from filter make B and if you go onto Bob's the oil guy forum there are guys talking nonsence about fiters after a visual examination of an old oily fiter with the can cut off. With reagrds to a used oil analysis. It costs $25 for a base analysis from Blackstone plus $10 to get a TBN that tells you how much life is left in the oil additives so $35 about £22 plus about £4 air mail to Blackstones so say £26. Typical UK price about £45 for a test done in the UK. They send you the collection kit free. I bought 6 tests in advance and that takes the cost down a bit 6 samples ready to go. You get the results email within about a week. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnG Posted July 20, 2015 Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 Don Hi As test data is not always published in its entirety by the manufacturers, you often have to ask. They are, for the most part, willing to supply specific element data, not general, broad ranging info that could be of help to their competitors Knecht are based in Germany and own the Mahle and Purolator brands, amongst others Hydac are also German. They own the Schroeder brand in the USA. Kneccht are a good bet. Under the Purolator banner, they may well have a cross reference Pall are the worlds largest contamination control company. They are into automotive, but, if I am honest, would guess they do not have a cross reference to suit our classics Parker are another good bet. Based in Clevland, they manufacture in the USA and Europe They own Gresen in the States They have the ParFit range, which is a range of elements to fit competitor housings Parker will supply test data sheets for their elements What I always had to do first, was ask them for what I wanted. i.e. give them a number and ask if they do a replacement Then, I had to get onto the web and search for published part numbers. They all have email and phone number contact info on their sites It can be hard work, but, the likes of Fram and Wix are cheap for a reason Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlueTR3A-5EKT Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 (edited) British filters still exist in Plymouth devon. They were TJ Filters the orange coloured boxed items. They list automotive under industrial. Peter W Edited July 21, 2015 by BlueTR3A-5EKT Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Don H. Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 ...Knecht are based in Germany and own the Mahle and Purolator brands, amongst others,,, Kneccht are a good bet. Under the Purolator banner, they may well have a cross reference Purolator, a well-respected US brand owned since 2013 by Mann+Hummel (Germany) after they bought out Bosch, their JV partner since 2006, specify their L30052 filter for the wet-liner TR four cylinder canister filter. FWIW can't find the link between Knecht-Mahle and Purolator, wjgco. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnG Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 (edited) Just a note ref British Filters In 1998 I was tasked with testing cellulose media, supplied to a company we bought. Rated at 25 microns absolute (beta75, 98.7% efficient), I tested 3 random spin on cans and got an average result of 39.6 microns at beta75 A 60% difference in stated v actual performance Now, car filters tend to be in the order of 60 microns cellulose, but, I suggest the same sort of disparity could well be relevant Note Seems I am out if date with whom has been buying who Edited July 21, 2015 by wjgco Quote Link to post Share on other sites
monty Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 John, thanks for your perspective, but I gotta say all that information really isn't that helpful. I suspect there are books of information one would need to digest... Do you have any references to Pall, Parker, or Hydac oil filters for passenger car applications? Do you have any idea if Mahle/Knecht make a cartridge for the wet liner Triumph four? How can one find out anything about media quality, media surface area, DHC, or anything else to make an informed decision about buying the best one can afford? I'm confused... Don, I have used a Mahle oil filter on the 4A but cannot remember the code no. I am afraid. Seemed to be a quality item but now prefer the K & N HP2009, which does look quality & is easier to remove. Ebay often has K & N @ a reasonable price . Cheers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Don H. Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 ...now prefer the K & N HP2009, which does look quality & is easier to remove... Thanks, monty. K&N doesn't offer a filter cartridge for the original wet liner TR four cylinder housing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
monty Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 Thanks, monty. K&N doesn't offer a filter cartridge for the original wet liner TR four cylinder housing. Sorry Don, yes forgot to say I have the conversion to spin-off type on mine. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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