david johnson Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 I see Sussex sportscars have for sale the TR3A which was recently in Devon. Quite a nice car though the panel fit needs improving, from what I recall having seen it. It was sold by Marko about 18 months ago for circa 20K and is now on at £25950. Worth a look in my view, but somewhat highly priced. David Quote Link to post Share on other sites
D1070 Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 the joys of sidescreen motoring didnt last that long for this enthusiast then David , or is it just an opportunistic sale, if so, ihmo, it all getting a bit silly, cheers, Laurence Quote Link to post Share on other sites
david johnson Posted January 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 I quite agree Laurence. It was bought for circa 16K from a private individual little more than 18 months ago. Dealers I am afraid do push up the market, but profits have to be made. David. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cleo's Dad Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 If someone wants to pay that sort of money - who is to blame them!! Quite good news if you already own a car, not so good if you are looking for one. I guess that so called " silly prices" are mostly driven by the cost of restoring cars these days. Even if you do most of the work yourself, the cost of bits is increasing considerably. My first concern is for panels, secondary concern is how they fit together...as long as they stay in formation when I drive it. Different matter with the oily bits! Wish the sun would come out for a bit. Clive Quote Link to post Share on other sites
marko Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 (edited) David, We've had this discussion before and sometimes certain people can really get on your tits with stupid comments like this........ Yes I bought the car for £16500 as I recall.....then we did a considerable amount of work to the car prior to selling it and then....did some additional work once the car was sold (under warranty), We also collected it and transported it back, delivered it to the customer and fully serviced it etc........VAT at the time was calculated at roughly 17.5% between the purchase and sale price and income tax was payable also on the profit.....between purchase and sale price.....We also had advertising costs, electric, oil for heating, business rates, trade insurance, fuel costs, wages for Bob and thats without me drawing a wage to pay for my expensive wife!!..........so I guess my point is - its not all straight profit....and maybe you should engage your brain before making flippant comments about other people's businesses - we are people that run our own business and are trying to make a difference to the TR community.........I'm sure when you go to sell your powder blue TR3 Hybrid (not sure if it is a TR2 or TR3 or TR3A) then you will tell everyone you bought it for less than £9k from a guy in Scotland and not try and make any profit on it at all..........even though the market has moved considerably since you bought it.........I'll look forward to the advert.........I'll get my coat!! I wonder if the company you work for is a charity? or perhaps they try to make a profit? Hmmm - I rest my case your honour.. Edited January 18, 2012 by marko Quote Link to post Share on other sites
keving Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 (edited) I talked to Mark, when I was looking for a TR last year, and he couldn't have been more helpful. Didn't have what I was looking for at the time, but was going to keep an eye out for something more along the lines of what I wanted. I was happy to pay more for this service, in the knowledge that Mark knows far more then I do and also saving me from going to look at more pigs (as I already had done). As it turned out, another car turned up before Mark could find a goodun. I'm sure he could have picked up any car, and sent it my way, but he didn't. From my research Mark has a great reputation for honesty, service and providing good solid cars. He is self employed with all the many costs and stress's which come with that, and I know many who wouldn't have the balls to 'go out on their own'. Mark should not have to justify himself on an open forum, for running a business and trying to make a living. Good on you Mark, and keep up the good work. (for the record- Ive never met Mark and have no connection other then the above ) Edited January 23, 2012 by keving Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kiwifrog Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 I see Sussex sportscars have for sale the TR3A which was recently in Devon. Quite a nice car though the panel fit needs improving, from what I recall having seen it. If you think that panel fit is "bad" then you have never seen an origonal car that has never had its wings or doors off!!! They never built them in the factory with the panel fit of restored cars today thats for bloody sure Alan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ashley James Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 If you think that panel fit is "bad" then you have never seen an origonal car that has never had its wings or doors off!!! They never built them in the factory with the panel fit of restored cars today thats for bloody sure Alan I couldn't agree more! Triumphs were never very well made and they rusted like hell. There are TR4s and 4As around now that have stunning interiors and no rust. They are far better than I remember them with faded paintwork, rust down the tops of the wings and that horrid, cheap, plastic trim splitting everywhere. Good solid cars spoiled by crappy manufacturer. My TR3A cost me about £16,000 and although it looked as good as many others, we've practically made it a new body. Every panel on it has been repaired replaced or modified so it fits and is the same size as the one on the other side and then we've re-trimmed it, re-wired it done work on the engine as well as having the gearbox and axle rebuilt, so I expect I've spent another £18,000 on it and most of you will think I'm bonkers, but I wanted one and I wanted it to be as good as they can be and not rattling, regularly failing heap with lethal steering etc. It has a rebuilt steering box and idler too. I shan't get my money back unless a miracle happens, but my advice to anyone wanting a really good car is that if the one being discussed is, it's cheaper than rebuilding a rough one and worth the money for peace of mind. Old car prices often do well when money isn't and that's what's happening now. Ash Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlueTR3A-5EKT Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 David, We've had this discussion before and sometimes certain people can really get on your tits with stupid comments like this........ Yes I bought the car for £16500 as I recall.....then we did a considerable amount of work to the car prior to selling it and then....did some additional work once the car was sold (under warranty), We also collected it and transported it back, delivered it to the customer and fully serviced it etc........VAT at the time was calculated at roughly 17.5% between the purchase and sale price and income tax was payable also on the profit.....between purchase and sale price.....We also had advertising costs, electric, oil for heating, business rates, trade insurance, fuel costs, wages for Bob and thats without me drawing a wage to pay for my expensive wife!!..........so I guess my point is - its not all straight profit....and maybe you should engage your brain before making flippant comments about other people's businesses - we are people that run our own business and are trying to make a difference to the TR community.........I'm sure when you go to sell your powder blue TR3 Hybrid (not sure if it is a TR2 or TR3 or TR3A) then you will tell everyone you bought it for less than £9k from a guy in Scotland and not try and make any profit on it at all..........even though the market has moved considerably since you bought it.........I'll look forward to the advert.........I'll get my coat!! I wonder if the company you work for is a charity? or perhaps they try to make a profit? Hmmm - I rest my case your honour.. Pete Buckles sent me to buy my current TR as he was sure it was what I wanted. It was not as I was after a drum braked 3 to replace my tatty TR2. I did however buy the TR3A because it was such a clean car, even though both the bonnet hinges were broken and the MOT had expired. Pete has assured me since that he will give me double what I originally paid if I wish to resell - Now that is a good and honest trader if ever there was. Oh, nearly forgot to mention, I paid £75.00 for the car in 1975. Cheers Peter W Quote Link to post Share on other sites
david johnson Posted January 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Dear mark I think it is in the public interest to point out the rise of prices and discuss them. Dealers are very much part of this story. I merely illustrate this particular car and its recent history as an example. I do not have the time nor inclination to make this a crusade, or to respond to comments that do not relate to the basic precept. Kind regards David. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Menno van Rij Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 It's very simple: a powder blue car is worth 100% more than every other TR in any other colour. Kidding aside: if it sells for that money, there's a market and in that case other cars will increase in value too. Crisis or not. Menno Raymond's and my TR last July - picture taken opposite of my house Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sidescreen Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Still a great picture Menno ! Raymond Quote Link to post Share on other sites
marko Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 You said and I quote "Dealers I'm afraid do push up the market" Actually - The market dictates the price, if someone is willing to sell for less than the market price, for an easy sale then I won't argue and nor will you...... You were implying again that dealers are the problem, that is actually not the case as quite a lot of private individuals ask for top retail money for there cars and they might well be worth it...... Its just worth considering the many overheads and costs that some dealers have before making pointless comments...... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ntc Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 David You are so of the (Mark) You drive the entire length of the country looking for suitable cars that a good dealer like Marko has to do to find cars that can be retailed, after the cost of sorting them out and the on cost's that then can occur. Remember that 8 out of 10 you will have had a wasted trip try that!!!! I have had dealing's with Mark for many years and I trust him far more than many other so called Tr dealers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alec Pringle Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 What on earth is all this ongoing cobblers about panel fit ? "Needs improving" ? Bollocks. It's a TR for chrissake, fits where it touches, designed down to a budget, and assembled (I use the term loosely) originally by a bunch of pieceworkers who didn't give a bugger about owt except beer and bonuses. You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, you can make a fool of yourself by trying to. Buyers are the primary drivers of market price levels, but to be fair the dealers can have a certain amount of influence in the market place too. A concerted effort by auctioneers and retailers, aided by the classic car press, can have a noticeable effect on particular marque or model values - it's a fashion thing, flavour of the month or year, any marque is going to have its ups and its downs. Newbies and novices, be they potential enthusiasts or investors, are always going to be influenced by the fashionable media, and by the more fashionable motor copers. Any and every dealer is in business to make a profit, by definition, he or she is not a charity. Every time he goes to look at a car for sale, that's a ton in expenses down the pan. Buy one in ten, which is about right, and the one he buys in stands him in at an extra grand before it even hits his premises. And if it's 150 miles away, and he has to send a bloke to collect it, that's another monkey gone west. Then it has to be prepped, and there will always be the odd unpleasant surprise if that's done properly. Any dealer worth his salt will be extending some form of warranty, apart from his responsibilities under the panoply of consumer protection legislation. So he services the car properly, probably gets a new ticket, and sorts out all the obvious deficiencies. Well, that'll doubtless take care of another grand then. £2.5K thus far. So let's say our hero buys for £20K, and sells for £26K. £6K gross profit, of which the VAT man will snatch £1000, we've already accounted for £2500 above, so we're down to £2500 left in the deal. There'll be a warranty issue, at that sort of price level there always is, and it's probably another monkey on average, so down to £2K now. That's £2K left to pay all the other expenses, the showroom, the workshop, the bloke who works in it, the rates, the utilities, the advertising, the accountant, the insurance, and so it goes on, and on. Oh yes, almost forget, back home our hero has a wife and kids expecting at least bread and jam on the table. Too damn easy to think there's lots of easy profit in classic trading - it's damn hard graft and tight margins, like most other working environments. The chap selling his own car doesn't have to contend with any of the above, yet all too often he expects to achieve the same money as a reputable specialist dealer. Get real. No buyer with even half a brain is going to pay dealer money to a private seller. Effective comeback is naff all, and it's the private seller who is more likely, in my experience, to pull the flankers. The average private seller doesn't have a reputation to lose, and he doesn't have a business to lose either. His car is just a hobby, an indulgence, not what feeds his family. Cheers, Alec Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MikeTR-6 Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 Sounds like my 3a only my one was yellow , Without going into full detail , offered my very nice 3a for 15k on hear and in main big 3 websites Had loads of daft questions and requests for pictures from every angle but nobody came and kicked the tyres. Mark came we shook hands , deal done , no fuss. Mike Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kiwifrog Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 (edited) Just to back up Mikes comments I have not bought a car from Mark but have had various bits and bobs from him the most recent a hard top for a 3A. All I can say is that I have found Mark honest straightforward and willing to bend over backwards to help, oh and very reasonably priced on the bits that I have had from him ( and looking at the post about TR4 occasional seats I think I stole one from him the price he charged me a few years ago). As far as my dealings with the TR trade goes and I have had a few I would rate Mark at the top of the list Cheers Alan Edited January 19, 2012 by Kiwifrog Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WillBoa Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 JUst to let you know there is a powder blue TR3A in reasonably good nick being sold on Feb 11-12th at the Footman James Classic Car Autojumble at the Royal Bath and Wst showground - I think its around £15- £17 K region ... might be worth a look for someone .. REgards Will Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chris59 Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 Mark is not honest, look at the TR3 he sold to me 2 weeks ago, "need some TLC" and "little to do to be a concourse car" was write on the advert Ok, I'll get my coat Chris. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kiwifrog Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 Chris Looking at the photo was the car Half price Hold the door I an just putting my coat on Quote Link to post Share on other sites
marko Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 Chris - A small amount of T Cut and Auto Glym polish and that car will be a concours winner......... I HATE THE FRENCH!! (this bit is a joke David J) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stuart Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 Are you cornering the market in TR bits now Chris? Stuart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alec Pringle Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 TR mortal remains more like ! And isn't that a Landie roof ? As for the tow car - A Frog in a Nazi Granada ? Cheers, Alec Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chris59 Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 Chris Looking at the photo was the car Half price Hold the door I an just putting my coat on Alan, the front ( ) rear half is yours, all you have to do is to collect it I HATE THE FRENCH!! Me too Are you cornering the market in TR bits now Chris? Stuart. Look closer, there is a Reliant chassis on this trailer : please call me "Gipsy Chris" And isn't that a Landie roof ? As for the tow car - A Frog in a Nazi Granada ? Yep, a Landy roof, for my wife #76 88". The German Panzer has + 840 000 km on the clock, original engine, gearbox, axle..... : try this with anything else than a pre 90s Mercedes or Peugeot 4 or 504 .... Chris. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MikeTR-6 Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 (edited) Shame one of the rear indicator lens is missing , If you need one Chris i may have one . slightly broken !!! . Mike Edited January 31, 2012 by MikeTR-6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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