Ray Hill Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 I have currently installed what i think is the best heads availble from Moss. They could be a lot better. Anyone got any suggestions for improvement? cheers ray hill Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stuart Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 H4 lamp units with Xenon bulbs is the best "legal" option. Also make sure they are adjusted up to the upper limit allowed. Stuart Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Hill Posted October 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 Stuart is there a particular comversion kit you would recommend - from an internet search i gather itis only too easy to finish up with badly dazzling lights> thanks ray Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 Hi Ray, the H4 Xenon bulbs are a straight swap for the existing bulbs and give you an extra 30-40% brightness. If the lights are set up OK for the original bulbs then they should be pretty good with the Xenons. Extra bonus - the extra brightness does not equate to higher current (loom melting) - the brightness comes from the gas. Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stuart Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 Hi Ray, the H4 Xenon bulbs are a straight swap for the existing bulbs and give you an extra 30-40% brightness. If the lights are set up OK for the original bulbs then they should be pretty good with the Xenons. Extra bonus - the extra brightness does not equate to higher current (loom melting) - the brightness comes from the gas. Roger What he said.......... Stuart Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PaulAnderson Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 Interesting. I converted to standard halogen lamps some while ago but they're still not particularly good. I note on the Moss site that they list an HID H4 conversion for TR's but that's not the same thing requiring ballasts etc. and cost about £150 They do list a Halogen lamp for TR's under the part GLB2983 and description 'BULB, P45T, halogen, clear' but no mention of Xenon. I therefore assume you're referring to part 'GLB472X - Bulb, H4, 60/55W, Super White Xenon at £8.45 each as per page http://www.moss-europe.co.uk/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=9096 . Is that the best legal lamps you're referring to? Paul Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tr4Tony Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 Valeo / CIBIE Iode H4 headlamps are the best Ive tried, with legal but high quality H4 bulbs. Dont be tempted to buy cheapies; all 55w bulbs are not quite as they seem and there is a massive difference in what I would call 'useful' light between the best and the ordinary, for very little additional cost. OSRAM bulbs work very well in mixed conditions, i.e. rain and mucky weather which is where you need white / blue light. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ade-TR4 Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 Very well worth getting the lights properly aligned on a beam aligner too: Make sure your adjustment spring are not stretched! Cheers Adey Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 Hi Paul, the halogen bulbs are not as bright as Xenon bulbs - it's the gas don't you know. Halfords Xenon bulbs are very good but a bit pricey. You get what you pay for. Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlueTR3A-5EKT Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 Just to reinforce something here. All the PI owners go for a relay kit to power their boot mounted fuel pumps so they get full battery voltage at the pump. Do the same with your headlamps and you will notice the difference in brightness. Also ensure the earth connectors are in top condition. The relay kit will protect the master control and dip switches from high current that may damage them. A relay kit is available from Moss and other TR specialists or Autosparks see http://www.autosparks.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=5041 which is the VW van headlamp relay kit. Cheers Peter W Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mfperks Posted October 9, 2011 Report Share Posted October 9, 2011 Having fitted the HID units to a '4, I would have to say that they are pretty darn good, you can also retro fit a standard bulb in emergencies, neat! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
North London Mike Posted October 9, 2011 Report Share Posted October 9, 2011 (edited) I have the standard H4 conversion and, with good attention to alignment, earthing and a relay they work really well. On main beam I have the option to switch in the flame throwers which helps when you're out in the dark country................ On an related note, I'm not sure I like the white/blue light on TRs, always think I have a BMW coming up behind me Edited October 9, 2011 by North London Mike Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MikeF Posted October 30, 2011 Report Share Posted October 30, 2011 Its easier to to tell a BMW from the Pratt lights fitted in the bumpers than from the headlight colour Unless of course like me the driver has worked out how to turn them off (Clue: they are called fog light in the driver handbook) Mike. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mike3739 Posted October 30, 2011 Report Share Posted October 30, 2011 HID's nothing beats them. Cheers Mike Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted October 30, 2011 Report Share Posted October 30, 2011 and nobody else can see !!!!!!! Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mike3739 Posted October 30, 2011 Report Share Posted October 30, 2011 Not exactly true if aligned correctly Mike Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 Hi Mike, I know I'm going to split hairs here but here goes. The HID lamps do give a very bright blue/white illumination that is very useful to the user certainly in unlit areas. However drivers coming the other way cannot see beyond the solar flare effect. If there was anybody walking/parked in the road they would be invisible. Correct adlustment is, as you say, most important but how many are adjusted correctly. Cars turning right, across a carriageway have their lights shining straight at the on-coming traffic (as they are biased to the nearside) The Chelsea tractors stand so high that their lights are like lighthouses. What is the purpose of the dipped headlight - to be seen by others and to see moderately/reasonably well in traffic. The HID lamps are certainly seen and on main beam can make for safe driving- in the right circumstances - but in traffic you do not need these laser beams taking out your retina. Why do they need such powerful dip beams? In London the average light intensity after sunset is apprx the same as on the sunny side of Mercury but our asian ladies and gents still go around on main beams - why? Many of these lights have a significant blue content if seen off centre - it is still an offence to have blue lights on the front of your car!! If you need bright light why not have spots that can be turned on when needed and standard lights for normal driving. Rant over Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Robin Powell Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 Hi Mike, I know I'm going to split hairs here but here goes. The HID lamps do give a very bright blue/white illumination that is very useful to the user certainly in unlit areas. However drivers coming the other way cannot see beyond the solar flare effect. If there was anybody walking/parked in the road they would be invisible. Correct adlustment is, as you say, most important but how many are adjusted correctly. Cars turning right, across a carriageway have their lights shining straight at the on-coming traffic (as they are biased to the nearside) The Chelsea tractors stand so high that their lights are like lighthouses. What is the purpose of the dipped headlight - to be seen by others and to see moderately/reasonably well in traffic. The HID lamps are certainly seen and on main beam can make for safe driving- in the right circumstances - but in traffic you do not need these laser beams taking out your retina. Why do they need such powerful dip beams? In London the average light intensity after sunset is apprx the same as on the sunny side of Mercury but our asian ladies and gents still go around on main beams - why? Many of these lights have a significant blue content if seen off centre - it is still an offence to have blue lights on the front of your car!! If you need bright light why not have spots that can be turned on when needed and standard lights for normal driving. Rant over Roger Excellently put Roger and how true! Sitting low down in a TR when the Chelsea tractors are either in front or behind you at night is a nightmare. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vila Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 I totally agree with Roger and Robin. Perspective from the USA. Nothing chaps my A$$ more than blinding headlights with the intensity of the corona of the sun. I am at the point where I just blast them back with my high beams until they pass. If you want to see better at night drive your modern iron. Time to go to my anger management class. Vila Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mike3739 Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 Not all HID'S give a bright blue illumination, mine are just pure white, down to quality of purchase & choice. Rant all you like they are here to stay & in less than ten years the vast majority of all new vehicles will have them as standard. Roger have you driven with them fitted on a modern quality car? Trust me the difference is amazing. But that is technology for you it does have it draw backs. Regards Mike Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 Hi Mike, I know they are here to stay as any organisation that can simply by-pass the law will overpower any action against them. I also know how illuminating they are - that is beyond doubt. Alas no, I haven't driven with them in a modern quality car, I have a 2002 Saab 9.5 with xenon H4's - luxury without the hinderance. My point still stands these lights are used when there is no need and other road users can't see beyond them. If all cars are fitted with them they will still be dangerous. I know I can't stop their usage but I don't have to like them. Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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