Jersey Royal Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Hi All, I have known for some time that i have a problem with the rear valance. It is by now the only panel that hasnt been off the car in my ownership. In the past i would have left such work to the professionals, however this time i fear its a job a would like to tackle with your collective help Problem is rust all along the bottom seam between the lower inner and outer valance, and has crept upwards in certain spots. Both panels no longer touch in any way. I have removed a dustpan full. Idealy i suppose the outer valance panel and inner lower valance panel should be replaced. I apologise already as this will envolve me in asking a good few questions before i get it sorted. First off if anyone has any photos of work they have done in this area in the past that would be helpfull. And the big question do i really have to remove the rear wings to remove the rear valance. From what i can see there are four bolts up each side to undo, break the top seal between the rear outer valance and upper inner panel(joint under boot seal) That should do for starters. Your assistance appreciated as always. Guy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foster461 Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Hi All, I have known for some time that i have a problem with the rear valance. It is by now the only panel that hasnt been off the car in my ownership. In the past i would have left such work to the professionals, however this time i fear its a job a would like to tackle with your collective help Problem is rust all along the bottom seam between the lower inner and outer valance, and has crept upwards in certain spots. Both panels no longer touch in any way. I have removed a dustpan full. Idealy i suppose the outer valance panel and inner lower valance panel should be replaced. I apologise already as this will envolve me in asking a good few questions before i get it sorted. First off if anyone has any photos of work they have done in this area in the past that would be helpfull. And the big question do i really have to remove the rear wings to remove the rear valance. From what i can see there are four bolts up each side to undo, break the top seal between the rear outer valance and upper inner panel(joint under boot seal) That should do for starters. Your assistance appreciated as always. Guy Guy, post a picture and lets see how bad the rot is. If it is any consolation I plan to tackle a similar problem this winter as the lower right hand corner of my rear valence is showing signs of rust bubbling and in an earlier thread Stuart indicated that the rear wing would have to come off for that in addition to drilling out the spot welds along the bottom. If you are planning to replace the whole thing I'm guessing both wings will have to come off so you can separate the valence from the inner wings.. Stan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jersey Royal Posted October 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 (edited) Hi Stan, Its a bummer, Was thinking of cutting of the affected wrot along the line in the panel, etc Guy Edited October 13, 2009 by Jersey Royal Quote Link to post Share on other sites
phil.simo Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Hi Guy, I remembered doing the same repair to my 6, so i had a look around my resto pics and scanned these in, it isn't a bad job to do, just a bit fiddley Phil. click on slideshow Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jersey Royal Posted October 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Hi Guy, I remembered doing the same repair to my 6, so i had a look around my resto pics and scanned these in, it isn't a bad job to do, just a bit fiddley Phil. click on slideshow Thanks for those Phil. If it involves welding its bad as far as i am concerned. Heres some more pictures of the job being done, its on Six Pack. http://www.6-pack.org/sixpack/phpbb2/viewt...ghlight=valance I am going to have to wade throught all this to work out a plan of attack, think i would prefer to leave the inner lower valance in, as it seems to envolve the most work, maybe it can be cut and extended. Cheers Guy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foster461 Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Thanks for those Phil. If it involves welding its bad as far as i am concerned. Heres some more pictures of the job being done, its on Six Pack. http://www.6-pack.org/sixpack/phpbb2/viewt...ghlight=valance I am going to have to wade throught all this to work out a plan of attack, think i would prefer to leave the inner lower valance in, as it seems to envolve the most work, maybe it can be cut and extended. Cheers Guy Guy, its hard to imagine that any repair to this area could be done without welding something even if it is just a patch on the outer skin. This is a horrid area with too many panels and that double skin bottom that was doomed to rot from the get go. I think at a minimum we need to separate the seam at the bottom of the valence so we can inspect and (I hope) repair any rotted areas and get in there to try and rustproof it if possible and then after the rotted material is replaced re-do the spot welds along the bottom. If I have to remove the whole valence then this project will go on the back burner and I will wait for the right time for the full body off job. Stan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foster461 Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Looking at the three major pieces, I wonder how much of this can be teased apart in order to get at the rotted areas. Is it possible for example to remove just the outer panel and leave the two inner panels in-situ or does the whole lot have to come out in one assemble and then separated ?. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Eyetee Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 2 options, either A strip rear end, wings etc or B rub down with sanding discs and rust proof till later any repair will need doing again later. My tub needs the inner rear valance panel replaced in the near future....one hopes...so interested in your progress Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jersey Royal Posted October 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Looking at the three major pieces, I wonder how much of this can be teased apart in order to get at the rotted areas. Is it possible for example to remove just the outer panel and leave the two inner panels in-situ or does the whole lot have to come out in one assemble and then separated ?. Stan, Good diagram, am going to go and have a good look tomorrow. The outer panel to me has four bolts up each side, easy to undo, it is spot welded to the inner lower valance along the bottom (mine is rusted and i have opened it with a screwdriver, so no problem).It is also spot welded along the top edge, so drill out prize apart carefuly, i have also noted the joint where the outerpanel meet the wing drainage channel, outer panel goes under and has a some weld on it,so cut out. So having done that will it tap out carefully without removing wings? Removing the wings doesnt look too bad just awkward, then all requires resealing. Another thought, the inner lower panel, does it really need to join up with the outer panel, can it just be cut back rustproofed, dont know. But we know a man who does. Cheers Guy How many others are going to look under there cars at the joint where the two panels meet? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foster461 Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Hi Stan, Its a bummer, BTW that first picture looks like a scene from "The Man Who Shot His Rear Valence" (John Wayne, 1962). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tony Millward Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 I have to admit to being very happy that my rear valance and associated panels is bolted and riveted, it will make it easier to remove in a few years time. Valance Tony Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pinky Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 (edited) Hi All, I have known for some time that i have a problem with the rear valance. It is by now the only panel that hasnt been off the car in my ownership. Guy Hi Guy What a night mare Nipper it just goes to show what you see from the outside isnt the end of the story well it certainly is a challenge, and i can understand you feeling a bit aprehensive about the job. still nothing ventured nothing gained i cannot see how you are going to do the job without taking the wings off ? remember to use a sharp drill when taking the spot welds out the spots are very hard and the drill wants to skip over them, a spring centre poc is good to get a mark for the drill to pick up on. you can do this guy you have a lot of friends that will help you my advice would be to make sure you have the proper tools to do the job also be careful not to stretch any of the panels all ways on the end of the phone regards pink . Edited October 14, 2009 by pinky Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Stan, are you taking a 'liberty' with Guys' pictures. Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
88V8 Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 (edited) I understand that the purpose of the double-skin was to improve strength in the event of a rear-end shunt, so it's desirable rather than essential. I expect the inner valance could be replaced with a few curved struts, like the ribs of the ship, that would eliminate the rust trap. In the last month, I've noticed that my rear valance is rusting around the bumper mount, and perhaps elsewhere. I'm going to repair it with a unique tissue-packet known as Stuart. I know my limitations. Or some of them. Ivor Edited October 14, 2009 by 88V8 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jersey Royal Posted October 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Hi All, Ok, just had a long chat with Stuart, thanks mate, and the wings are going to be removed. So having now faced this idea and thought i am going to go for it. First job remove wings. Cheers Guy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ntc Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Hi All, Ok, just had a long chat with Stuart, thanks mate, and the wings are going to be removed. So having now faced this idea and thought i am going to go for it. First job remove wings. Cheers Guy And when you put it all back together pop in those nice wing beads from the early cars look far better imho Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foster461 Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Hi All, Ok, just had a long chat with Stuart, thanks mate, and the wings are going to be removed. So having now faced this idea and thought i am going to go for it. First job remove wings. Cheers Guy Removing the rear wings is not that bad Guy. The issue is with unmolested cars and what you find when you take the wing off like just underseal where the back of the B post should be and the rear of the sill rotted out where the rear wing overlaps but if your car has been apart before and put back together correctly it should be uneventful once you find all the attachment points. Keep us informed, I'll just be a few weeks behind you.. Stan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foster461 Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Stan, are you taking a 'liberty' with Guys' pictures. Roger I believe I am, pilgrim. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jersey Royal Posted October 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Hi Job Started some pics. Removed lights and lock, Thats easy. Then removed the four bolts through outer wing and lower valance. I also racked the joint slightly with a razor blade. And the bottom valance was tack welded to inner lower valance, cut the tacks. I gave the valance a little pull and this happened. On inspection up the joint there are only two tack welds, handy dremwl sorted those. Which leaves the seam along the top edge, which needs some spot weld drill bits, which i have ordered. And also there are three tack show below. Now i may have missed something but is it likely i can remove this outer panel with the wings on. Thats All Folks Guy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foster461 Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Now i may have missed something but is it likely i can remove this outer panel with the wings on. Nice going Guy. So is it your expectation that both inner panels will remain attached to the tub or that one or both will come off with the outer panel ?. Stan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jersey Royal Posted October 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Nice going Guy. So is it your expectation that both inner panels will remain attached to the tub or that one or both will come off with the outer panel ?. Stan Stan, I hope that once i have drilled out the spot welds on the top seam, and the tack welds by the indicator cut outs, that the outer valance will come away leaving the inner two panels intact. there are a coupe of tack welds in each internal top corner Whats helped has been the Dremel, very handy bit of kit. The lower inner panel is rusty on the inside from what i can see, i have probed it with screwdriver and hope, that even though it needs work and derusting it will be ok and not need to be removed. If its beyond repair, i will have to remove the wings so a new panel can be spot welded in. Cheers Guy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stuart Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Guy this should show the spot welds on the outside edges of the back panel so you can remove it and leave the inner upper and lower panels in place. Stuart Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foster461 Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Guy this should show the spot welds on the outside edges of the back panel so you can remove it and leave the inner upper and lower panels in place.Stuart Nice pictures Stuart, thanks. I wonder given the number and location of those spot welds if Guy is going to be able to get at them all with his rear wings attached even with the small amount of separation he has achieved ? Stan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ntc Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Nice pictures Stuart, thanks. I wonder given the number and location of those spot welds if Guy is going to be able to get at them all with his rear wings attached even with the small amount of separation he has achieved ? Stan NO Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jersey Royal Posted October 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 (edited) Nice pictures Stuart, thanks. I wonder given the number and location of those spot welds if Guy is going to be able to get at them all with his rear wings attached even with the small amount of separation he has achieved ? Stan Chaps, Decided to do proper job, have now removed one wing, easy job a few screws, need to be careful with the mastic tube joint, i ran a blade down it careful where i could. Take of other wing tomorrow, and give it a clean. Thanks All Guy Edit Can anyone recommend a product to remove the old sealer. Edited October 14, 2009 by Jersey Royal Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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