Alec Pringle Posted June 8, 2017 Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 Main difference between TR2 and TR3 kits was H4 against H6 carbs. The CTK came in at least 3 basic versions for sidescreen cars - TR2, TR3 drum brake, TR3/3A disc brake. S-T dealers could sell or loan/rent the CTK . . . . I once had a 3/3A kit with a list on the inside of the lid, rather like a library book page, with detail of the dates, chassis number, and items used/replaced. This CTK had evidently been in use as a loan/rent item for several years. I've only seen the TR2 and TR3 versions in a 'laundry box', whereas the 3/3A, 4 and 4A versions I've had were in cardboard boxes. Whether the box differed between sale and loan/rent versions I know not. Cheers Alec Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EdwinTiben Posted June 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 Main difference between TR2 and TR3 kits was H4 against H6 carbs. The CTK came in at least 3 basic versions for sidescreen cars - TR2, TR3 drum brake, TR3/3A disc brake. S-T dealers could sell or loan/rent the CTK . . . . I once had a 3/3A kit with a list on the inside of the lid, rather like a library book page, with detail of the dates, chassis number, and items used/replaced. This CTK had evidently been in use as a loan/rent item for several years. I've only seen the TR2 and TR3 versions in a 'laundry box', whereas the 3/3A, 4 and 4A versions I've had were in cardboard boxes. Whether the box differed between sale and loan/rent versions I know not. Cheers Alec The classic laundry box i showed is made of Some kind of re enforced cardboard. Its like its waxed. Thats what you mean For tr2 ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EdwinTiben Posted June 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 Main difference between TR2 and TR3 kits was H4 against H6 carbs. The CTK came in at least 3 basic versions for sidescreen cars - TR2, TR3 drum brake, TR3/3A disc brake. S-T dealers could sell or loan/rent the CTK . . . . I once had a 3/3A kit with a list on the inside of the lid, rather like a library book page, with detail of the dates, chassis number, and items used/replaced. This CTK had evidently been in use as a loan/rent item for several years. I've only seen the TR2 and TR3 versions in a 'laundry box', whereas the 3/3A, 4 and 4A versions I've had were in cardboard boxes. Whether the box differed between sale and loan/rent versions I know not. Cheers Alec The classic laundry box i showed is made of Some kind of re enforced cardboard. Its like its waxed. Thats what you mean For tr2 ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted June 8, 2017 Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 Google 'dozenmaker/boekbinder' (sorry for the Dutch, guys) and you'll find artisan box makers and book binders. These people often have a lot of knowledge about these materials. Here's a guy who lives only a stone's throw away from you! http://cor-aerssens.nl M Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Don H. Posted June 8, 2017 Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 The classic laundry box i showed is made of Some kind of re enforced cardboard. Its like its waxed. Thats what you mean For tr2 ? Probably not waxed, Edwin -- that's mainly done for rigid-when-wet properties, not dry strength. There would likely be concerns about transfer to the contents, too. I'm guessing the laundry boxes are a form of pressboard, high-density paperboard used for covers and folders where stiffness, folding properties, and strength are required. Here's how one supplier talk about the product: http://www.fibermark.com/products/genuine-pressboard (I've spent most of my life around the paper industry, and my university degree is in Paper Science and Engineering...) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EdwinTiben Posted June 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 never knew there was a degree in paper science ? learned something new ! probably right about the wax, i understand what you mean with press board, i think the boxes look more like cardboard. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alec Pringle Posted June 8, 2017 Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 The early CTK boxes that I've seen are of two types . . . . . A 'laundry' type box, one piece with hinged lid and made from some sort of pressed paper board - and these I'm guessing might have been dealer loan or rental boxes. A cardboard (as in corrugated) box, with separate lid, which I'd guess was the sale item ? This latter style seems to have been the norm for later boxes. Cheers, Alec Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Don H. Posted June 8, 2017 Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 (edited) "Cardboard" is a term not really used in the paper industry. It's pretty common elsewhere, though. We tend not to use it because it's not really specific enough. "Paperboard" refers to sheets that are heavier and thicker than paper, usually with the break around 250-300 micrometers thick. Paperboard can be multiwall corrugated board or solid paperboard. Solid paperboard is often made using a machine that builds up plies of wet pulp into a thicker sheet, which is then pressed and dried. I'm guessing your laundry box is multi-ply solid paperboard. It might not be densified all the way to traditional file folder or cover pressboard, but it's probably not far from it. Edited June 8, 2017 by Don H. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foster461 Posted June 9, 2017 Report Share Posted June 9, 2017 >(I've spent most of my life around the paper industry, and my university degree is in Paper Science and Engineering...) Don, you sound more than qualified to develop a suitable repro CTK box. Paper board with pre-pressed edges ready to fold, shipped flat with rivets to assemble into a box and lid. Stick your choice of CTK labels on the lid. Tea cup stains cost extra. Stan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Don H. Posted June 9, 2017 Report Share Posted June 9, 2017 How many do you think could be sold, Stan? A dozen or two? I'm guessing Edwin's redeployed laundry boxes are probably a better bet. Pre-patinated, too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Don H. Posted June 9, 2017 Report Share Posted June 9, 2017 Not quite.... http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/30338255/#/00325320 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
2long Posted June 9, 2017 Report Share Posted June 9, 2017 (edited) deleted Edited June 9, 2017 by 2long Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EdwinTiben Posted June 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2017 Haha english patina , powered by Scandinavia Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alec Pringle Posted June 9, 2017 Report Share Posted June 9, 2017 Few CTK boxes have survived, and for very good reasons - they were cheap and shoddy items, larger than they needed to be and hogging boot space as a result, whilst giving little protection to the enclosed spares. Why on earth keep a cr*p product for half a century or more, and even less good reason to reproduce it. Some things are best forgotten. Just go down the charity shop and find an old briefcase or somesuch for a fiver, that'll do nicely. Cheers Alec Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Don H. Posted June 9, 2017 Report Share Posted June 9, 2017 ^ True dat. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Larnder Posted June 9, 2017 Report Share Posted June 9, 2017 Oops Alec I find myself agreeing with you once again! Watch out we could end up with a HUNG FORUM Dave Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foster461 Posted June 9, 2017 Report Share Posted June 9, 2017 For me the CTK is a novelty, a curiosity, a fun part of the TR history. It is interesting to see what Triumph thought would be useful spares to have when traveling far from home. Not very practical as it takes up a ton of room in an already full boot when you consider the sidescreen cars and not really necessary when you can get next day delivery of just about anything just about anywhere in an emergency and a flatbed home when a repair is just not practical. Stan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EdwinTiben Posted June 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2017 Stan, exactly. It has nothing to do with practicality. But as I said before its a fun part of the hobby to collect, just like the ads, brochures etc. If i wanted a practical car with less hobby, i would have a mx5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Don H. Posted June 9, 2017 Report Share Posted June 9, 2017 (edited) Stan, exactly. It has nothing to do with practicality. But as I said before its a fun part of the hobby to collect, just like the ads, brochures etc. If i wanted a practical car with less hobby, i would have a mx5 ...or a Toyota pickup. Edited June 9, 2017 by Don H. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alec Pringle Posted June 9, 2017 Report Share Posted June 9, 2017 A HUNG FORUM ???? Titter ye not. Sounds like Frankie Howerd has somehow joined our ranks . . . . . a funny thing to happen . . . . . Cheers Alec Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ianc Posted June 10, 2017 Report Share Posted June 10, 2017 Bill Piggott has replied to my earlier posting about the box which I took to the Bring & Buy at the IWE some years ago: I do recall the box for sale at IWE....can't now recall why I didn't buy it ! Can't really add to the Continental touring kit discussion...sorry. Seem to recall that Patrick van Houtven has/had a complete one he once showed me....Bill Ian Cornish Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EdwinTiben Posted June 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2017 Bill Piggott has replied to my earlier posting about the box which I took to the Bring & Buy at the IWE some years ago: I do recall the box for sale at IWE....can't now recall why I didn't buy it ! Can't really add to the Continental touring kit discussion...sorry. Seem to recall that Patrick van Houtven has/had a complete one he once showed me....Bill[/size] Ian Cornish[/size] Thats interesting! Perhaps patrik still has one to show in some pictures. I dont know him personally, anyone who could ask him? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foster461 Posted June 10, 2017 Report Share Posted June 10, 2017 Failing a clean shot of an original CTK and its contents, the next best thing would be a good picture of the label since that lists the contents and would give us a chance to reproduce it. What about the box label that Raymond had ? Stan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EdwinTiben Posted June 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2017 Failing a clean shot of an original CTK and its contents, the next best thing would be a good picture of the label since that lists the contents and would give us a chance to reproduce it. What about the box label that Raymond had ? Stan I agreed when receiving it not to share it public and Will respect that. Perhaps theres another one who has a label? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alec Pringle Posted June 10, 2017 Report Share Posted June 10, 2017 The box and label is on Raymond's website, for heaven's sake . . . . . hardly confidential ! http://www.trtriumph.com/r__donk.htm Cheers, Alec Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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