Jersey Royal Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 Hi Chaps I have issues with my bomb type starter motor. Yet to remove it for inspection. Can anyone recommend a repair shop, or where i can get hold of spares for it? Thanks Guy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rodbr Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 Hi Guy, Have used these guys, found them friendly, knowledgeable and good pricing. I liked that they would tackle anything. Bomb Starter rebuilt around £80 about a year ago. Bomb starter is very heavy to ship though and may make it prohibitive cost. Worth a try. LONDON & ESSEX AUTO ELECTRICS LTD 01992-523660 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vivdownunder Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 Guy, it might be a simple fix - the rear bush has a habit of dislodging and drops out if the dust cap is missing. If it won't engage then it might need a new rubber drive coupling, or the bendix gear has gunked up on the shaft and needs a clean up. Sometimes the shaft is incorrectly greased when all it needs is dry lube with a light dust of graphite. On rare occasions the bendix return spring breaks or the brushes need replacing The earthing path via the body is a weakness. I couldn't believe the improvement in mine when I fitted an earth cable directly from the battery to the starter top mount bolt. Regards, Viv. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 Hi Guy, I was here yesterday DBJ auto Electrics, unit 2a; 17 Lancaster rd . Uxbridge. 01895 232674 (West London) with a problem on a Hi Torque motor. They seem quite capable of anything. However postage would be fun Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jersey Royal Posted February 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 Thanks Rod Viv and Roger, Got it off, its a Type A Bomb jobby, and flywheel has bolt on ring gear. So i can conclude that DPO had fitted the wrong dam starter. According to Moss blerb... " wrong motor engaging with wrong ring gear, it works for a short period then shreds the teeth on the bendix" Dpo only drove car for 300 miles in ten years and one before who most likely fitted it had it on for about 9000 miles. Will consider next move Thanks for your tips Cheers GUY Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ntc Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 Guy There is only one cost effective answer chap Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ashley James Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 There's only one true way to repair a starter motor and that's to send it to someone who can do more than you can. In particular he can take out the field coils, cut the linen insulation off them, clean and strip off the old Shellac recoat with new, re wrap with new linen and screw them back in again. He must also overhaul the armature and possibly even replace the commutator. It costs about 50% at least more than the vastly superior Japanese replacements most use for their superior reliability and longevity. There are few companies that can do a proper job, we use Trevor on 0121 744 4348 for the Rolls-Royce ones and they cost about £550 for the starter motor and gearbox and £600 for the clutch assembly. Sadly there's no alternative, but at least it's as good as new, which is more than can be said for the sort of repair most starter motors receive. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jersey Royal Posted February 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 (edited) Guy There is only one cost effective answer chap ------------------------------------------------- Ok so we are talking Hi Torque then. Well i have a Tr shop Wosp one on my Tr6, and find it screachy, so am looking for something that sounds better. Am sure there was a thread recently where a comment was made on a HTS that sounded ok? Heres some options then Trshop...Wosp Edge Starter http://www.cambridgemotorsport.com/TR3-4-4A-Starter-Motor-High-Torque-Edge-Performance Unknown make http://www.moss-europe.co.uk/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=6761 Powerlite http://www.holden.co.uk/displayproduct.asp?sg=&pgCode=080&sgName=Search&pgName=Dynamos+%26+Starters&agCode=1541&agName=Powerlite+Starter+Motors&pCode=081.264 http://www.autoelectricsupplies.co.uk/product/784 Any others? Cheers Guy Thanks for you input Ashley, noted Edited February 6, 2013 by Jersey Royal Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ntc Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 Guy Check the ring gear first,Bendix? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stuart Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 (edited) Its a bolt on one. Stuart. Edited February 6, 2013 by stuart Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 Hi Guy, the Moss item will be a WOSP. The HT motors all sound different to the original. I don't know if some sound better than others. Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jersey Royal Posted February 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 (edited) Yes its bolt on, so could fit the TYPE B part 65 http://www.moss-europe.co.uk/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=2043#top http://www.cambridgemotorsport.com/New-Inertia-Starter-Motor-Equivalent-Lucas-LRS102 http://www.agmpartscomponents.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=4_27&products_id=368 GUY Roger I have a wosp on my Tr6, dont particulary like the noise over a standard unit, but it serves its purpose well. Cnt a recall where i read that one HTS make sound better than others, maybe wishful thinking Edited February 6, 2013 by Jersey Royal Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ntc Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 Its a bolt on one. Stuart. Fitted the right way? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jersey Royal Posted February 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 Fitted the right way? ------------------------------------------------------ Here are some photos Its the flywheel the engineering shop balanced Neil And i should have noticed the incompatability of the two Prior to fitting it all back Cheers Guy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stuart Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 Guy you have email. Stuart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jersey Royal Posted February 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 Guy you have email. Stuart. --------------------------------- Thanks am hanging.... Cheers Guy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ntc Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 (edited) Guy Panic ye not just now Edited February 6, 2013 by ntc Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alec Pringle Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 Guy, see email Cheers Alec Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ntc Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 Here's hopeing we are all singing from the same song sheet Guy or welcome to confused something com Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jersey Royal Posted February 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 Yes Neil i hope so. Will check teeth tomorrow for damage and that they are right for a rear engaging thingy. Thanks Alec, Neil and Stuart for your input help offers and advise. Forum is great Again Cheers Guy Numptys Rule OK. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vivdownunder Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 (edited) Guy, I don't know what private advice you have, but there's a one tooth difference between the early and late starter/ring gear sets. You can't just fit a later starter to match your bolt on ring gear as the gearbox bellhousings are different. Post TS50000 gearbox housings were changed to provide clearance for the later starter which engages from the back of the ring gear. Not only is the tooth count different, but your starter has been trying to engage into the plain side of the ring gear - bolt ons have the chamfered entry to the back. As suggested above, easiest solution to save a strip down is a hi-torque starter. There are two versions - (1) with pinion to suit the earlier shrink on ring gear and (2) with pinion to suit the later bolt on ring gear. You need the later version. It doesn't matter that the ring gear chamfers are to the rear with a Hi torque. Most hi-torque starters are Nissan based so the car fires up like a ricer, but fitting one will save a lot of work correcting the PO's mismatch. Regards, Viv. Edited February 6, 2013 by vivdownunder Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jersey Royal Posted February 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 Hi Viv, My e mails have been busy over this. You sum it up nicely. Didnt realise starters were so interesting. I have a tr4 box on my motor, so have the fatter bellhousing. I have been offered a good long type starter which will engage the flywheel from the rear. Going to crawl under the car and rotate engine just to check the ring gear for ware or damage, but think all is well. Thanks Guy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jersey Royal Posted February 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 (edited) Heres another query, but to do with wiring up a Hi Torque starter to Tr3 As you have a solenoid up next to the battery, and as a HTS come with one fitted, hows it wired.? With reference to this link Is it just a case of fitting" a small wire to bridge the small solenoid terminal to the large terminal on the side of the starter and connect your existing large starter cable to the same large terminal on the side of the starter." ? http://www.tr-register.com.au/Files/technical/starterinfo.htm Cheers Guy Edited February 7, 2013 by Jersey Royal Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ntc Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 Yep that will do it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vivdownunder Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 Guy, the author of that article is probably the world's largest Fergie Tractor parts supplier, so he knows his apples. Regards, Viv. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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