I Have Myself a New Project

[IanR]

Hi Folks,

I dont post much these days and have probably never posted in this the sidescreen forum, but, yes I have acquired a small mouth TR3, basket case of course, but almost complete. I say almost meaning it has no sidescreens and thats about it, but there is the small matter of a lot of metal missing such as the lace curtain floors and sills. I have already got the body off and the chassis looks pretty good overall, saveable anyway, though it is clear that its been in an accident at some point. It is LHD but with the correct paperwork and even a heritage certificate. It was imported some years ago as a project but the owner never got round to it.

 

So wish me luck and I hope you long term sidescreen owners may be able to help out if I have problems

 

Cheers

[stuart]

Well done Ian and welcome to the fold. Is it a drum or disc brake car?

Stuart.

[TR3BGeorge]

Good luck with your project, Ian!

 

Are you going to go with the original cruise control and air conditioning units?

[brydon]

Good luck with your new project, you'll find loads of help on here, you only have to ask.

 

Kind regards

 

Andrew

Edited January 7, 2010 by brydon

[Nigel Lay]

Best of luck with the new project Ian, sounds about the same condition as the 2 was when I got it.

Nigel (with TS952)

[IanR]

Thanks for the replies chaps,

Its a disc braked model Stuart but a left hooker from the US. I am pretty sure I will convert it to RHD as my wish at present is to maintain and continue my love affair with Elsie (my TR5, though of course I love my wife as well, (errr she is Olwen not Elsie)) but also have a sidescreen TR. I do not know at this stage if I can manage both in which case it may have a more attractive market in Europe as a LHD.

 

Stuart, or anyone, is the LHD pedal box transferrable to RHD as they both appear to look the same .. thats too simple is it not!!! The steering box will need replacing as well I guess, can I exchange a LHD box for a RHD box or is it as I suspect, like for like.

 

I need new floor pans and sills could someone advise.. TR shop are advertising at around £80 a throw but Revingtons are £110 a throw .. are they the same MOSS products or does Neil have a separate source. Whose are the best sills? I also need a new boot floor as well any recommendations assuming that there may be a choice..

 

Thanks in advance and I will alter my sig pic when I can figure out how to have Elsie on TR5/6 posts and TRouble Free (think cockney accent here)on this forum.

 

Cheers

[pfenlon]

I may be out on a limb here but i think all floors are from heritage, they are a good fit too on the TR3, £80 is cheap.

 

I fitted a couple on my TR3A some 4 years ago with no problems at all.

 

I think that the Revemmup name can occasionaly demand a higher price in some instances.

 

nice to see another old dog coming to life.

[Kiwifrog]

Ian /Peter

 

The floors now are not heritage they are from another supplier and are are not nearly as good as the Heritage panels and they are not the right gauge steel. I spoke with someone at Heritage last week who said they make the panels for one major UK supplier who then distribute them to others but they have not received any orders for the floors for a long time. I have asked at Moss (at 3 branches), TR shop Bastuck and TRBitz and the only floors they have are the non heritage panels.

 

While these panels are commensurate in quality with the price they are charging they are not what I want to put on my car if I can avoid it. I have a heritage floor panel that I bought last year for the LH floor and before Christmas I took advantage of the Moss sale to buy a RH floor as I figured it was cheaper than repairing my existing floor. When I received the floor and compared it with the Heritage floor it could not hold a candle to it in terms of quality although it was only half the price.

 

Ring MOSS and ask specifically for a heritage floor panel not the secondary supplier panel, they will know exactly what you mean. Then ring Heritage and ask them where you can buy a pair of their floors if enough people rattle their cage maybe we will get a result.

 

Cheers

 

Alan

Edited January 9, 2010 by Kiwifrog

[stuart]

Ian /Peter

 

Then ring Heritage and ask them where you can buy a pair of their floors if enough people rattle their cage maybe we will get a result.

 

Cheers

 

Alan

 

Ha Ha you would be lucky to get any help from Heritage. I would talk to Neil Revington as he has a good stock of panels and may well have some of the correct gauge (18swg) The pedals can be used but they will need a little bit of warming up and bending to suit RHD. Best thing to do is fit them and the tunnel cover and the seat and then bend them to suit yourself as that way it will be more comfortable. You may find it difficult to get anyone to do an exchange left to right for a steering box but as so many people are converting to R&P there are more around s/hand than there were. The only parts for the boxes that are difficult to obtain is the cage that the balls run in top and bottom of the case.They are around but most arent good quality. Sills are difficult as some are too short and most dont have the slight curve in them that was original. Also most dont have the correct "cut in" at the front top edge to allow the door to open properly. Ian you can always give the workshop a ring or PM me if you get stuck.

Stuart.

Edited January 9, 2010 by stuart

[Menno van Rij]

There's a guy overhere in Holland, Hans Kooy, who is a long-time TR restorer. Many of you know him attending the International in his nipple pink TR2. Hans is trying to come up with a better quality floor for the 2/3/3A. In his opinion, the current replacement floors you buy from well known addresses are sh*t. Last time I spoke to him, he was busy trying to get customers interested in this LH and RH floor pan project. Just PM me if you are interested; I can send you his tel.number.

 

 

Menno

[Rodbr]

Hi There,

Can anyone help me understand purpose of the collection of parts that have been given to/bought by the Register as part of the patterns for future developement. What are the restrictions on access to them and is there a list of what they have, Surely if the replacement parts are so bad then this is the source of the definitive parts?

Maybe I have misunderstood what the purpose of these parts is!

[Alec Pringle]

Hi Rod,

 

the Spares Development Fund has in recent years started to acquire a 'reference' library of new old stock Stanpart components. This exercise was instigated as a result of Alan Robinson's generosity in passing on a substantial proportion of his spares accumulation to the SDF at favourable rates. The general intention being that the SDF collection will provide a reference source for those looking to reproduce TR parts. It's a long term project, as yet in its early stages, but which will doubtless progress far beyond our lifetimes. As yet the stockholding is modest, hopefully it will in the future be augmented by the acquisition of more new old stock Stanparts as opportunities arise. By definition, such opportunities are limited . . . .

 

Much of the criticism of reproduction components is misplaced, in so much as critics overlook the practical realities of commissioning the remanufacture of long obsolete parts. It's always easy to criticise as an end user, in blissful ignorance of just what processes are necessary to achieve remanufacture, and just what constraints impede those processes.

 

I have in the past been involved in the remanufacture of long obsolete components, which is why I tend to have rather more sympathy for the difficulties of the TR specialists than for the uninformed opinions of the strident whiners always willing to knock suppliers.

 

Constructive criticism is another matter entirely, I hasten to add - TR specialists do benefit very considerably from the input, experience and problems of end users, TR owners and restorers. These constructive critics tend not to make such a fuss and pother on forums or in magazine correspondence columns . . . .

 

Finally, too many latter day enthusiasts simply fail to appreciate that even Stanpart TR parts never were that good, in some instances they were every bit as bad as current repro parts. Cheap and cheerful mass production cars made down to a price, not up to a standard. You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, but silk purses seem to be the objective of too many restorers these days - and then they complain at being unable to achieve perfection. It's a Triumph TR, not a ruddy Bentley or Bristol !

 

Cheers,

 

Alec

[Kiwifrog]

Hi Rod,

 

Much of the criticism of reproduction components is misplaced, in so much as critics overlook the practical realities of commissioning the remanufacture of long obsolete parts. It's always easy to criticise as an end user, in blissful ignorance of just what processes are necessary to achieve remanufacture, and just what constraints impede those processes.

 

I have in the past been involved in the remanufacture of long obsolete components, which is why I tend to have rather more sympathy for the difficulties of the TR specialists than for the uninformed opinions of the strident whiners always willing to knock suppliers.

 

Constructive criticism is another matter entirely, I hasten to add - TR specialists do benefit very considerably from the input, experience and problems of end users, TR owners and restorers. These constructive critics tend not to make such a fuss and pother on forums or in magazine correspondence columns . . . .

 

Finally, too many latter day enthusiasts simply fail to appreciate that even Stanpart TR parts never were that good, in some instances they were every bit as bad as current repro parts. Cheap and cheerful mass production cars made down to a price, not up to a standard. You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, but silk purses seem to be the objective of too many restorers these days - and then they complain at being unable to achieve perfection. It's a Triumph TR, not a ruddy Bentley or Bristol !

 

Cheers,

 

Alec

 

 

 

I completely agree with you Alec we would not have a hobby without the sterling efforts of Moss Bastuck revington TRF British victoria et al. The point I was trying to make is that there is a decent panel available if somehow the producer can be persuaded to produce it. All the people I have spoken to at Moss TRshop TRbits Bastuck would like to be able to stock the Heritage panel.

 

Moss must be congratulated in being able to find another supplier even if they have to make compromises to be able to supply parts, otherwise we would all be pedaling round like Fred Flintstone. It still amazes me that so many parts for our cars are available new!

 

As far as origonal quality is concerned I am much too young to have known the cars new but this being my 3rd TR restoration and 2nd sidescreen I know what you mean by "cheap and cheerful mass production cars made down to a price" with possibly the addition of being thrown together between tea breaks comes to mind

 

Cheers

 

Alan

[KEL]

Thanks for the replies chaps,

Its a disc braked model Stuart but a left hooker from the US. I am pretty sure I will convert it to RHD as my wish at present is to maintain and continue my love affair with Elsie (my TR5, though of course I love my wife as well, (errr she is Olwen not Elsie)) but also have a sidescreen TR. I do not know at this stage if I can manage both in which case it may have a more attractive market in Europe as a LHD.

 

Stuart, or anyone, is the LHD pedal box transferrable to RHD as they both appear to look the same .. thats too simple is it not!!! The steering box will need replacing as well I guess, can I exchange a LHD box for a RHD box or is it as I suspect, like for like.

 

I need new floor pans and sills could someone advise.. TR shop are advertising at around £80 a throw but Revingtons are £110 a throw .. are they the same MOSS products or does Neil have a separate source. Whose are the best sills? I also need a new boot floor as well any recommendations assuming that there may be a choice..

 

Thanks in advance and I will alter my sig pic when I can figure out how to have Elsie on TR5/6 posts and TRouble Free (think cockney accent here)on this forum.

 

Cheers

 

i have a tr3 R\h drive long steering collum &box poss needs worm i now have rack & pinion also new chassis for tr3 never been on a car i think ctm devon built it e mail if interested regards kel

[Ian Vincent]

I may be out on a limb here but i think all floors are from heritage, they are a good fit too on the TR3, £80 is cheap.

 

I fitted a couple on my TR3A some 4 years ago with no problems at all.

 

I think that the Revemmup name can occasionaly demand a higher price in some instances.

 

nice to see another old dog coming to life.

 

 

When I started doing my rebuild, before I understood the variability of some re-manufactured parts, I bought floor panels from two suppliers, one panel came from Revington and it fitted a treat. The other came from another source and although it was the right gauge, it was about 1/2" too short. Not a problem because I needed to refabricate the bottom of the vertical panel behind the seats (its a post 60k model) so I just added an extra bit of length to the horizontal return.

 

The point of this story is that unless Heritage (assuming they made the one that fitted) have two lengths for their parts, there are two different manufacturers. And there may even be three if some panels are being manufactured from thinner gauge material.

 

Rgds Ian

[IanR]

Kel

 

Have sent you a PM

 

Cheers