Guest Wyn Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 No slave cylinder to adjust on this release system Mark, Regards Wyn Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scotty Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 Just read this Wyn , you seem to be getting treated dreadfully . Do take heart though , you will get it sorted and then you will enjoy your car to the full . I also felt like taking a match to my 6 on more than one occasion at the end of its restoration but got there in the end . I wish you all the best and look forward to seeing the car at Malvern. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TIMS Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 Wyn Before Tom posts it. Locating dowels? Regards, and best wishes. Tim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foster461 Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 (edited) Thanks Bob for your support and kind words. To make it clear, I'm not happy with the figures following my visit to the rolling road. This may, or may not be down to the supplier who built the engine, he had dyno figures of 165bhp at the flywheel with a CR of 9.5 : 1, this was subsequently increased to 10.5 : 1 and the fully mapped electronic ignition fitted. I was told verbally at the time that I should then expect approx 200bhp at the flywheel. Of course, I can only have figures at the wheels now. I do not believe he would quote figures he would not expect to acheive, and as stated before, he can build a very good engine if he wants to, I'm mystified. My unhappiness with the supplier is directed more at the service and way in which I was treated. The only other answer would be the incorrect jetting of the webers but I bow to the Rolling Road owners experience here. Having said that, information that I have sourced off the Internet suggest that I should have far larger Idle jets and also different main jets, but who am I to question his opinion, I know nothing about them to be honest. If anyone knows someone who I could phone to discuss this with, someone with a good working knowledge of weber carbs on these cars, please let me know. My priority now is to get the dreaded clutch working properly, run the car for a couple of thousand miles and then maybe have another Rolling Road session. Alec, I may contact you in due course following advice you kindly gave me relating to this in the past. Wyn Holy cow. Wyn, that is quite a story and I hope the vendors involved do the right thing. Re the Weber config, what do you have, 3 x DCOE 40's ?. I am in the process of rebuilding my TR6 engine, 9.5:1 CR, zero decked, Goodparts GP2 cam which is not that far off from the PI cam, 1.55:1 Goodparts roller rockers, goal of getting back to 150 hp. I called Mike Pierce at Pierce Manifolds to get a baseline config for the Webers. He does this in his head based on your engine and goals but this is what he recommend for my setup, I started with a Weber DCOE 40 151 kit, canon manifold: Chokes 30 Mains 125 Emulsion F11 Air corrector 180 Idle Jets 55F9 Accelerator pump jet 50 From what I have read the idle circuit is doing all the work up to 3000 rpm after which the mains take over. Tom F knows more about this than I ever will and has been a tremendous help to me as I planned my project so I'm just providing this data as a reference point. What a depressing story. Stan [edited to fix formatting issues] Edited March 18, 2008 by foster461 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Wyn Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 Thanks Stan for that information. I will buy a book and learn a bit more about Webers I think. Wyn Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foster461 Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 Thanks Stan for that information. I will buy a book and learn a bit more about Webers I think. Wyn Hi Wyn, certainly recommend getting a Weber manual and there is also quite a bit of info available online. I grabbed some of it while I was doing my own research and I'll be happay to zip that up and email it if you would like to PM me with an email address. Stan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
piman Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 Hello Wyn, regarding the clutch, I take it that it is a concentric slave cylinder mounted directly on the gearbox input shaft sleeve. That makes it simpler as there are less linkage problems to contend with. I would guess that with the amount spent you don't have that horrible plastic pipe between the master and slave, as these can cause clutch problems particularly as it heats up? To me this leaves either an excess of clearance between the slave and the clutch or too large a capacity slave cylinder? If it is the latter, then the easier solution is to fit a larger bore master cylinder. One other thought, does the clutch pedal go fully to the floor or does it seem to come to a stop before that? Alec Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dblenk Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 wyn was looking forward to teh results but very sad to here the outcome i have been working so have not been on teh forum for a few months one of the guys suggested a independent tuning people i bought the Kas Kastner books and read them did a plan of what i want to do and emailed Kas he said it should give around 175BHP at the flywheel i will post the results when i get them keep your chin up look forward to seeing the car ar Malvern regards david Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Wyn Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 Clutch better now (see my posting under separate heading). Had another Rolling Road session today, three hour drive home and feeling much happier (owner in Cheltenham came highly recommended). Engine is still quite tight but not as tight as it was this morning that's for sure. Cam is probably a little 'hot' for my driving style but that's my fault and no one else's, give it some revs and the power does kick in (I'll just have to remind myself when I'm driving my 2.0 GT TDI Golf which dies at 4000rpm, but flies up to that, and my beloved '5' which kicks in at the same RPM)). This Rolling Road calculates wheel BHP and Flywheel BHP and the flywheel BHP is a little over 170 bhp. On a new engine, that will do me now thanks. I would again say that I do not dispute the engine builder's ability to build an exellent engine, he has a good reputation, which is why I went to him, it's the attitude to customers (i.e. me!) that I got tired of. Just to add, got home, hail stones and rain, left the car to idle in the drive while I ran into the house to fetch something. It sounded so nice, I could have taken a deck chair out (sod the weather), sat down and listened to it purring for a while. Is it just me that's a little weird, or is it all of us?? Regards Wyn Quote Link to post Share on other sites
david ferry Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 Wyn, Excellent news (and on the clutch thread also). A well earned rest and drink is in order. You must be really pleased...finally, in spite of all the **** you have been through and shouldn't have had to go through. Congratulations. David Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Wyn Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 Thanks David, Look forward to buying you a drink at Malvern for all your support. Regards Wyn p.s. sort out that website of yours! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
johnny250 Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 I could have taken a deck chair out (sod the weather), sat down and listened to it purring for a while. Is it just me that's a little weird, or is it all of us?? Regards Wyn No ........it's just you Wyn. john Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Wyn Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 Well John, all I can suggest is that you have some webers fitted!!! Look forward to seeing those old seats of mine in your beautiful 250 Regards Wyn Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jersey Royal Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 Wyn, Am very pleased you feel much better about your motor. As has been said before, very very nice five indeed. All the best Guy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foster461 Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 No ........it's just you Wyn. john Agreed, its just you Wyn. I for one would never go searching YouTube in the winter for TR6 video's just so I can hear the sound of that engine or looking for highway underpasses in the summer so I can bring the rpm up to around 3000 and listen to it resonate off the concrete walls.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Fremont Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 (edited) I for one would never go looking for highway underpasses in the summer so I can bring the rpm up to around 3000 and listen to it resonate off the concrete walls.. You wouldn't ? You don't know what you're missing I've got a covered bridge near me which provides the sublime aural experience with these... Edited March 23, 2008 by Tom Fremont Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ntc Posted March 23, 2008 Report Share Posted March 23, 2008 Good news Wyn, you deserved a good drink I am sure that time will tell i.e. Old engines and gearboxes by manufacture needed to be run in. I am sure your beast of an engine having covered a couple of thousand miles and rolling road tuned again you will have a perma-grin! And great to hear you got the clutch sorted. The above also applies to the gearbox. Regards, Neil Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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