kevin bryant Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 For sale at a local dealer 1975 TRIUMPH TR7 16v SPRINT. Chassis – ACG/6. Ex `works` press car. In `works` colours to full rally spec. FIVA papers. Roll cage, Fire eater system, Retro trip, Map light, Corbeau seats, Full harness`s, Cibie spot lamps, Tarmac suspension, Strut brace, Competition radiator, Oil cooler, Minilite wheels, Quick rack, Battery cut-off, 5-Speed gearbox, Strengthened shell etc. etc. From the Arthur Carter Collection. With Heritage certificate and extensive history. Ready for the most serious of rallies. Incredible value. and what's it on sale for? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? £14,995 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alec Pringle Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 If it's pukka, and if the description "Ready for the most serious of rallies" is accurate, then it sounds like quite a bargain historic rally car . . . A genuine ex-works 7V8 rally car that's up to scratch would cost you four or five times that ! Cheers, Alec Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tr7jim Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 (edited) Kevin, Follow this link for some info on this car below. http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh/p...SaleSectionNo=2 This car was for sale at stoneleighly about two years ago, if I remeber correctly for £7995 at the time by the owner. Hope this helps a bit also look at my link on the TR Drivers web site about this car http://www.trdrivers.com/early_tr7_sprint_competition_c.html Jim Johnson Edited October 14, 2008 by tr7jim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alec Pringle Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 Thanks Jim, you know more about the interesting Wedges than most people ! Looking at the Bonhams website, it doesn't seem as if the car sold at Goodwood, at its estimate of £7-10K ? Cheers, Alec Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tr7jim Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 Thanks Jim, you know more about the interesting Wedges than most people ! Looking at the Bonhams website, it doesn't seem as if the car sold at Goodwood, at its estimate of £7-10K ? Cheers, Alec I agree with you it didn't sell. This car is a Very yearly ACG TR7, which was one of the first UK TR7's to be launch by BL in 1975. Jim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Reg Behrin Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 KDU367N may have been a press demonstrator and may have been privately entered in rallies, but it was never a "works" rally car. That was the province of KDU497N and KDU498N. So the asking price needs to take that into account. My guess is that it's worth £5K to the right person. Reg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alec Pringle Posted October 16, 2008 Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 Hi Reg, IF, and that's a big IF, the description as relayed by Kevin is accurate . . . then £5K would be the bargain of the year in my book. You couldn't build a 16v TR7 to that spec for twice the money, and that would be a bitsa without any sort of provenance. Historic rallying is a money game, however you look at it, and the most ridiculous cars with any sort of provenance fetch serious spondoolahs . . . Cheers, Alec Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chris turner Posted October 16, 2008 Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 (edited) When the car was sold at auction by Arthur Carter it made £3,4540 not that long ago. As Jim says it was for sale around 2 years ago for £7995, the car was however much improved after the original sale and probably worth that figure. Alecs right, you cant build much of a replica sprint engined rally car for £5000 and this car belonged to Arthur Carter who had a super collection of rally cars. Edited October 16, 2008 by chris turner Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kevin bryant Posted October 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 There's a picture now and yes it's KDU 367N http://www.sherwoodrestorations.co.uk/popu...&p_i=477259 regards kev Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ngtf Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 When the car was sold at auction by Arthur Carter it made £3,4540 not that long ago. As Jim says it was for sale around 2 years ago for £7995, the car was however much improved after the original sale and probably worth that figure. Alecs right, you cant build much of a replica sprint engined rally car for £5000 and this car belonged to Arthur Carter who had a super collection of rally cars. Bearing in mind the provenance of this vehicle and the fact that it is an ex press demonstrator, therefore a very early car plus taking into account the work that has been done to it to bring it up to the standard you see it in, I would suggest it is worth a fair bit more than £5000. £4-5000 generally buys an absolutely superb TR7V8 and even then the vehicle would have had considerably more spent on it. I can quote from experience (not personal but almost) of a certain TR7V8 that was involved in an accident where the rebuild costs exceeded £15,000 (yes, fifteen thousand) and was subsequently sold very recently for £5750. As a very early, ex demonstrator, rally sprint replica I would be looking at paying possibly around £10-12,000 for it especially taking into consideration where it's come from. My opinion of course but ultimately, the car is worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it. Gary Quote Link to post Share on other sites
charless Posted October 18, 2008 Report Share Posted October 18, 2008 I tried to add a reply on Thursday to all the interesting comments regarding the ex Arthur Carter Sprint that we currently have for sale - but for some reason it did not appear !! The car is in fantastic condition with recent expenditure into the thousands of pounds !! A rare, very interesting car with a good history and in excellent condition. I have now attached more photographs on our web site - www.sherwoodrestorations.co.uk - so please have a look. we are open seven days a week so there is no excuse should anyone wish to come and have a look. You are all welcome and the kettle`s is always on !! You could not bulid this car, especially a genuine `sprint`, to this spec and condition for anywhere near our asking price !! Your money is probably safer here than in the bank !!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 Went to see this car today back up for sale at £13995 see http://www.sherwoodrestorations.co.uk/portfolio/cars-for-sale/1975-triumph-tr7-16v-sprint/ It is a very nice car and I am very tempted, does anyone have any information on the car, particularly before it left the Arthur Carter collection Thanks Andy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alec Pringle Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 Hi Andy, Chris Turner, who posted above, probably knows as much as anybody . . . . Cheers, Alec Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 Thanks Alec have spoke to Chris and Jim Johnson but no one seems to have any history prior to being in the Arthur Carter collection Thanks Andy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alec Pringle Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 Hi Andy, having done a little research after this post first appeared 3 years ago, I'm not convinced there is any significant competition history - just one of more than a few Wedges that enjoyed some modest clubbie motor sport in the 70s and 80s and were subsequently rebuilt. I'd suggest you have to value it on what it is now, taking into account a wee bit of history as a 'press car' - and the suggestion that it may have been one of the cars 'dolled up' to look the part at dealer shows at the time. I wouldn't suggest that adds a great deal to its intrinsic value though. Cheers, Alec Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flatlandsman Posted November 3, 2013 Report Share Posted November 3, 2013 OK guys I have watched this thread for a little while and here's the lowdown -all of which is correct: The car was an early press demonstrator car registered KDU 367N, it belonged to the late David Lister who bought it on a whim with a view to perhaps racing it in the TR Register Race Championship in 1989. He didn't and it sat at Chris Carter's establishmnent Chestnut House Sports Cars in Wisbech for a few months whilst Dave explored the possibilities. Its original colour was a very fetching shade of dull orange which was certainly not to everybody's taste. Chris' uncle Arthur (see the connection?) had run a number of Formula 2 & 3 and other race cars over the years and had probably THE definitive collection of BMC rally cars anywhere plus a huge collection of MG and other vehicles. His experience with Triumph was limited to a 2.5PI special in which he had a major accident whilst driving on his farm track. This resulted in his wife ordering it destruction whilst he recovered in hospital!! Over the winter of 1988/89, Arthur was introduced to Dave Lister and agreed to buy the car. He did some research on it and discovered what it was. His engine builder at the time was Chris Conoley who was then based in Kings Lynn; he now owns Mass Engineering in Little Gransden in Bedfordshire. Chris Conoley was given the task of building the car up to be a major contender in the TR Race Championship. Arthur's business interests included restoration and he stripped and repainted the car in BL competition colours whilst Chris developed a sprint engine for it. He raced it for one season only and it was retired but it was a successful enterprise and it was a shame that it disappeared from public view. When it came up for sale a few years ago, it was strange that no one managed to link its history. Hope this helps. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nigel Triumph Posted November 3, 2013 Report Share Posted November 3, 2013 Chris Turner knows a lot more than most about TR7 & 8, so his view is always worth listening to. Don't think it's been mentioned yet but the ACG comm number relates to an 8 valve TR7. Genuine factory Sprints have ACH series numbers. Nigel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flatlandsman Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 Yes Nigel is quite right, the car originally has a standard 8 valve engne plus of course a 4 speed gearbox. When Chris Conoley had finished, the sprint engine was mated to a 5 speeder; he wanted to dry sump it but was prevented by the TR Reg Championship regs. Small correction to above: I think it was the 1988 season the car raced in; Chris Conoley's Mass Engineering, for whom Jon Wood briefly worked, is based in Great Gransden... sorry! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chris turner Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 (edited) None of the N registered press cars were actually used to advertise the TR7,the cars were supposed to be launched in 1975, as demand in the USA was so great the UK launch was postponed. When the car was eventually launched in 1976 all the advertising had photos of P reg cars. The most famous one is GAC 866P, if you check this number you will see it doesn't exist. This is because it is in actual fact GAC 866N with the suffix letter changed to make the car look new. Also the very first factory built prototype Sprint engine cars were in fact early ACG cars converted, the brother of KDU 367N is KDU366N (ACG5), was the car featured in the first Gaydon Sprint photos. It is being restored at the moment ready for its 40th birthday in 2015.I almost bought KDU367N from Arthur Carter(couldn't afford his 240Z) a few years ago but bought another famous TR which I have owned for 8 years now. Edited November 6, 2013 by chris turner Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Christopher Kenneth SMITH Posted September 6, 2015 Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 I do love reading through these old threads I now own ACG5 (KDU 366N) and it was recently re-united with ACG6 (KDU 367N) at the 2015 TRDC National. I am keen to know about any other KDU cars and also any ACG chassis owners between 1-100 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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