John L Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 Now I remember I used the wire ones, the indents in the wire for the original pins are too wide to fit under these pins, so I just trimmed a little off the ends so that they would still be under the pins, unfortunately I cannot tell you how much I actually cut off. You will a really good pair of snips or wire cutters they are tough! I'm busy travelling for work, will be back next weekend hopefully, I will look and see if I can find the reference on the packets, nothing gets chucked out! Regards John Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saffrontr Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 John, If it helps the original Lucas Girling part numbers for the pad fitting kit were PFK 1 and also K451. The PKF1 whilst it dosen't specifically list the TR6 in it application list does fit as I have one fitted to my 1971 TR6. The list includes Austin Morris Wolseley 1800 from 6/65 to 2/72, Capri mk1 1300GT 9/69 - 10/70, Capri Mk1 1600 & 2000 ditto, Cortina GT 1600E & 1600GT 9/65 - 8/70, Cortina Lotus 10/67 - 6/71 and Escort Twin Cam, Mexico & RS1600 1/68 to 1/72. Suggest that you try JCL as I'm pretty sure that's who I got mine from. Last number I had for them was +44(0) 116 2355348 best of luck Derek Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mike G Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 Hi Check this item for sale on ebay http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TRIUMPH-VITESSE-GT6-TR4-TR6-BRAKE-PAD-RETAINING-KIT_W0QQitemZ370246214551QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item563464e39 Mike G Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nuts Posted March 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 (edited) Hi Check this item for sale on ebay http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TRIUMPH-VITESSE-GT6-TR4-TR6-BRAKE-PAD-RETAINING-KIT_W0QQitemZ370246214551QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item563464e39 Mike G Mike, I've gone straight to the link and bought the item! Thanks very much for pointing this out. I knew with help from the forum I'd get there eventually. HOWEVER, I suspect the kit will only fit with smaller 3/16" dia pins supplied for later models and not with the 1/4" dia ones for early models that I have fitted, my car is CP26071. Never mind though if it does the job safely it will have to do as all other avenues have come to a dead end at the moment. I will update this stream when they arrive. Thanks Again ... Nuts ... Edited March 14, 2010 by Nuts Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlueTR3A-5EKT Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 Mike, I've gone straight to the link and bought the item! Thanks very much for pointing this out. I knew with help from the forum I'd get there eventually. HOWEVER, I suspect the kit will only fit with smaller 3/16" dia pins supplied for later models and not with the 1/4" dia ones for early models that I have fitted, my car is CP26071. Never mind though if it does the job safely it will have to do as all other avenues have come to a dead end at the moment. http://www.teilesuche24.de/trw/zubehoersatz-scheibenbremsbelag-pfk106 I will update this stream when they arrive. Thanks Again ... Nuts ... Sorry about this... I used to supply the anti rattle spring wire by the handful to my old buddy Alan Wadley (God rest him) of TR Workshop under a Rover part number. He swore by them and would always fit when he did brake pads to shut the pad rattle up. A whole lot cheaper than some stub axle mod. (I did wonder whether it would have been easier to throw the standard bearings, stub axle and front hub set up away and fit the pack type bearing from the Rover 800 front a la MGRV8. - the pcd of the R800 is TR, which opens up the possibility of the rear disc brake assy...... ho hum - all too late now Rover is defunct) The earlier link to the TRW (German site) gives part number PFK106. This is not a number I recall from my C&B days. PFK106 seems to be a good place to start as a part number to offer to a motor factor who stocks TRW brake components. Neither (GR) PFK1 nor PFK5 we used to supply contained the anti rattle spring wires. The anti rattle wires were listed by Girling for use on the 3 pot caliper from Morris 1800S, Austin Princess, Reliant Scimitar etc. This caliper type did get on to many a tuned TR without major worries. Keep hunting Peter W Quote Link to post Share on other sites
smizgals Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TRIUMPH-VITESSE-GT6-TR4-TR6-BRAKE-PAD-RETAINING-KIT_W0QQitemZ370246214551QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item563464e39 I've got a set of those clips, possibly once fitted by TR Workshop, however not fitted subsequently as replacement kits did not include them. By the way, my Greenstuff fitting instructions also state that anti-squeal pads should not be fitted. I am interested to see how these are mounted as I can't recall that. Stan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nuts Posted March 15, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 Chris, This is weird because I phoned them on Friday and the guy who answered the phone said they did do/have any anti rattle clips although he didn't take the time to look in and boxes. I will phone again on Monday morning referencing the part nos you suggest. Thanks for the lead ... Nuts ... Chris, I phoned Revingtons today and spoke to Bill who was very helpful, he spent some time discussing the issue with me and checked the contents of their parts rsp2750 or gbk1003, he told be that neither kit contained anti rattle clips, I asked him if he was sure and he said yes he was. So unfortunately another dead end! My current three options are i) to try and modify the Escort clips and make them fit, or ii) when the TWR ones arrive if they are for 1/4" pins hallelujah or if for 3/16" pin fit the wrong size pins or iii) give up my quest and learn to love the sound of rattling disc pads (not an option really). I will post some pics shortly. ... Nuts ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nuts Posted March 15, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 (edited) The attach low quality pics show: IMG_ARC1: The one wire clip that I have that won't fit 1/4" pins IMG_ARC2: The same wire clip resting on the calliper but you can't get the 1/4" pins through it no matter how hard you try IMG_ARC3: An Escort clip that isn't long enough (front to back) but might be persuaded to fit after a bit of hammering ... Nuts ... Edited March 15, 2010 by Nuts Quote Link to post Share on other sites
badshead Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 IMG_ARC1: The one wire clip that I have that won't fit 1/4" pins IMG_ARC2: The same wire clip resting on the calliper but you can't get the 1/4" pins through it no matter how hard you try IMG_ARC3: An Escort clip that isn't long enough (front to back) but might be persuaded to fit after a bit of hammering Hi Nuts Your picture no2 - you're not trying to fit the wire clip across the caliper? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steve Knight Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 (edited) Many vehicles have anti rattle / pad hold down springs. Triumph Saloons, Scimitar, which may be similar. They stop the pads rattling around which they will do, because they are not held in place by any other means. There should be some sort of spring clip, if you want to avoid that clatter / clatter. They fit under the split pin and exert pressure on the top of the pad metal backing. Pin size seems immaterial. Maybe some vehicles do not suffer. Someone must know what to fit - Escort seems the best bet, can anyone confirm that ? Those photos are not the right ones. It should be a single part with two springs fitting either side of the disc. Edited March 15, 2010 by Steve Knight Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nuts Posted March 15, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 (edited) Hi Nuts Your picture no2 - you're not trying to fit the wire clip across the caliper? Bill, I've just got the clip resting there for the photo, it's the only clip I have and I don't know where it came from. I'm now waiting for delivery of the TRW kit from e-bay that Mike G kindly put me onto and hopefully if they fit nice and snug that'll be a job done. ... Nuts ... Edited March 15, 2010 by Nuts Quote Link to post Share on other sites
badshead Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 Bill, I've just got the clip resting there for the photo, ... Nuts ... Pleased to hear that, you had me worried for a moment.... That clip in no 2 is the correct type/shape, but still can't understand why pin size would make a difference given it just hooks under the pins each end? Is the clip just too short to span the distance between the top and bottom pins? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nuts Posted March 15, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 Pleased to hear that, you had me worried for a moment.... That clip in no 2 is the correct type/shape, but still can't understand why pin size would make a difference given it just hooks under the pins each end? Is the clip just too short to span the distance between the top and bottom pins? Bill, The odd clip I have just doesn't quite fit right and is a bit short to get right under the pins, as I said I'm now banking on the TRW kit and hoping that it fits ok, looking at the TRW photo on e-bay and the German one you sent me they do appear to be a slightly different shape to the one I have. It's strange how the usual TR suppliers don't have these clips in their fitting kits anymore. ... Nuts ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
smizgals Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 (edited) . Edited March 17, 2010 by smizgals Quote Link to post Share on other sites
badshead Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 Guys, Thanks to your contributions I can see how mine, with 1/4" pins, fit. Stan These are the clips fitted: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
smizgals Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 (edited) Stan These are the clips fitted: Bill, So I was wrong! Your images show the way I thought they might be fitted in the first place and got thrown by the pin size discussion and the Nuts image. Your fitment has the pin going through the one loop on the clip and that is then got to be the correct size. Thanks, Stan Edited March 17, 2010 by smizgals Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nuts Posted March 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 A conclusion at last !!! With the help of friends on the forum, specially Bill A and Mike G, I can confirm that the anti rattle clips supplied in the TRW kit from Classic Parts Trader via ebay do fit original TR6 calipers and 1/4" pins although to get the pin through the clip it's a bit tight as they're designed for the smaller pins supplied in the kit. However a result for me and no more rattly disc pads . Thanks for all the suggestions and advice. ... Nuts ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nmottershead Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 Hi All, I have been trawling the forum for ideas and advice on the subject of front pads and a problem that I have. I few weeks ago I fitted stainless steel pistons to the callipers and the N/S one appeared tp have seized up. All looked good and I built it back up again. On a short trip out some time later the same caliber seized on again and I had to wait for it to cool before I drove home. I got a set of standard pads and shims and pins and the clips which were not on the original set up. I came to fit these yesterday and removed the old pads and pins and fitted one pad and shim and then tried to fit the second one on the same caliper and couldn't get the piston the go back into the caliber far enough to get the second pad in. Both pistons are nice and free but can't seem to get them both to go back at the same time! I am wondering if there is some sort of none return valve in the system which is preventing this and maybe that is also causing my problem of the caliber starting to lock up under use. The brakes seem to work Ok but I just can't get the new pads in and if I can then I can't figure out how the spring clips go on. Can anyone help or advise? Thanks, Nigel. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John L Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 Is the caliper centered around the disc correctly, is there equal distance from the caliper body to the disc on both faces of the disc, there are shims that can be put under the caliper mounting bolts to position it correctly? John Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nmottershead Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 Hi John, Yes, the disc is central to the caliper - my problem is getting both pistons retracted at the same time to get the new pads in. Nigel. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John L Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 There isn't anything that will stop the fluid going back to the master cylinder, unless the brake pedal push rod is not going fully back and so not opening the valve on the end of the brake piston. If you open the bleed screw fluid should run out under gravity. If it doesn't then I would suspect the valve in the end of the piston. Have you had the servo off or the master cylinder? Could you loosen off the bleed screw and let some fluid out? John Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nmottershead Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 Hi John, I haven't had the servo off but I did have the master cylinder off and put new seals in it at the same time as new pistons in the calipers. I'll try opening the bleed screw on the caliper I am working on and see if that lets the pistons return to the full extent. Thanks for the advice - I'll report back. Nigel. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
acaie Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 Hi John, I haven't had the servo off but I did have the master cylinder off and put new seals in it at the same time as new pistons in the calipers. I'll try opening the bleed screw on the caliper I am working on and see if that lets the pistons return to the full extent. Thanks for the advice - I'll report back. Nigel. The way I've always done it is to leave the old pad in one side of the caliper while I press the other piston back, fit the new pad in the side I've just pressed back, then press the other side back to fit the new pad in that side. Don't forget to take the top off the master cylinder so if there is more fluid going back into the master cylinder than it can accommodate, it can escape. Many years ago I learnt the hard way that it's not a good idea to press one piston back without something to stop the other piston popping out too far. Hope this helps Al Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nmottershead Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 Thanks Al, I have yet to try again but will bear in mind your advice. Nigel. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stuart Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 Check your flexible brake pipes as it sounds like one is collapsing internally. Stuart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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