dixiechopshop Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 Ive recently acuired a 68 tr250. I got it friom a friend whos father and I were pretty tight.After his father passed the car sat for a while befor it was given to me. Im a car guy but dont know much about the triumphs. Ive got it close to cranking but seem to be missing a fule line that runs between the two carbs, also the connection for the line on the right carb.the brakes are also non existant. maybe just need bleeding? any help would be great. thanks. <a href="http://s305.photobucket.com/albums/nn219/dixiechopshop/?action=view¤t=trucks156.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn219/dixiechopshop/trucks156.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a> Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foster461 Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 Ive recently acuired a 68 tr250. I got it friom a friend whos father and I were pretty tight.After his father passed the car sat for a while befor it was given to me. Im a car guy but dont know much about the triumphs. Ive got it close to cranking but seem to be missing a fule line that runs between the two carbs, also the connection for the line on the right carb.the brakes are also non existant. maybe just need bleeding? any help would be great. thanks.<a href="http://s305.photobucket.com/albums/nn219/dixiechopshop/?action=view¤t=trucks156.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn219/dixiechopshop/trucks156.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a> Hi There and welcome. Congratulations on your recent acquisition. If you can post some pictures of the engine bay and carbs we can help identify what might be missing. If this TR has been sitting around for a long time there is a good chance that most of the rubber in the brakes has deteriorated so I would give everything a close inspection to make sure all of the slave cylinder pistons move freely and that none of the rubber is perished/leaking and then flush and fill with new brake fluid. Check in the driver side footwell also for signs of hydraulic fluid coming out of the rear of the brake and clutch master cylinder. Stan. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dixiechopshop Posted August 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 I tried to post pics but I guess html dosent worl in the forums. Thanks for the help though. Im sure its mostly just a piece of fule line but like I said the hose barb is missing off carb #1. the second carb has the barb intact .my question is is the hole threaded for some type of fitting on the first carb or is this gonna be a speciality part? Oh yeah I drove my tr for the first time! I had to use the hand brake and it was only running on one carb but it was exciting. Also are there more fuses than the four under the hood.?I cant seem to get any brake lights? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foster461 Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 I tried to post pics but I guess html dosent worl in the forums. Thanks for the help though. Im sure its mostly just a piece of fule line but like I said the hose barb is missing off carb #1. the second carb has the barb intact .my question is is the hole threaded for some type of fitting on the first carb or is this gonna be a speciality part? Oh yeah I drove my tr for the first time! I had to use the hand brake and it was only running on one carb but it was exciting. Also are there more fuses than the four under the hood.?I cant seem to get any brake lights? You can post images on a free service like photobucket and include a link in your post (or have it viewed inline by using the Insert Image button that you see in the row of icons just under the text font/size selection controls. You can also add an attachment using the controls under the text entry window, that will get uploaded to the forum and also displayed inline but there is a quota that will limit how many times you can do this. There are only 4 fuses fitted as standard and in fact only three of them are used. Your brake lights are on the green circuit along with gauges, wipers, heater motor etc so if this all work and the brake lights dont your best bet is the switch or bulbs or bad ground. If you dont have a wiring diagram you can download one from here: http://www.advanceautowire.com/tr2506.pdf Not sure about the fuel pipe connector, it may just be pressed into the carb casting. There are a couple of sources for Stromberg parts and rebuild/repair such as Jeff Palya http://www.paltech1.com/ and Joe Curto http://www.joecurtoinc.com/. Both are well regarded, Jeff has done several projects for me and does excellent work. Strombergs pop up on eBay daily. Stan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dixiechopshop Posted August 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 thanks Stan. Im sure I sound like a real idiot but this is my first time under a brits bonnet. herse some pics @ photo bucket. http://s305.photobucket.com/albums/nn219/d...roject%20TR250/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foster461 Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 (edited) thanks Stan. Im sure I sound like a real idiot but this is my first time under a brits bonnet. herse some pics @ photo bucket.http://s305.photobucket.com/albums/nn219/d...roject%20TR250/ ok, I think I see the source of your confusion. There is only one fuel port per carb. The original fuel routing comes off the mechanical pump, around the front of the engine and via a section of rubber tube connects into a metal fuel linkage assembly that Is T'd so that each carb gets a fuel supply via its individual fuel port. You can see that configuration on this TRF diagram. http://www.zeni.net/trf/TR6bluebook/index.php?page=31 and here is an actual TR250 image of the carbs and fuel supply routing http://www.bramclassauto.com/vimages/v324_45f_DSCF4123.JPG For now you can rig something up with a T connector from your local autoparts store and some fuel hose. This 250 seems to be in sound shape based on the few pictures we have seen, you are very fortunate. Stan [ edited to add url's ] Edited August 17, 2008 by foster461 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dixiechopshop Posted August 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 Ok I thought that might of been the way it was suppoused to to be. I was going on the few hard to see pics I could find on line. Yeah I am pretty lucky. Its got a ways to go befor its In the shape that alot of the ones Ive seen on this page look,but the original owner was like a father to me so Im pretty deterimed to get it back to the glory he wanted to see it in. Youve been a big help. Im sure Ill have more questions and Ill try to put up more pics of the car. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foster461 Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 Ok I thought that might of been the way it was suppoused to to be. I was going on the few hard to see pics I could find on line. Yeah I am pretty lucky. Its got a ways to go befor its In the shape that alot of the ones Ive seen on this page look,but the original owner was like a father to me so Im pretty deterimed to get it back to the glory he wanted to see it in. Youve been a big help. Im sure Ill have more questions and Ill try to put up more pics of the car. I'm only filling in until the real TR5/250 folks show up but you will find the guys and gals that participate here very helpful and you are unlikely to have to tackle anything that somebody here has not already done before and took pictures. The TR250 is one of my favorite TR's as it marries the styling of the TR4 with the mechanicals of the TR6 so you sort of straddle two generations of TR with one car and can think about things like a surrey top which looks great on the TR250 as it does on the TR4 but questionable on the squarer shape of the TR6. Stan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dixiechopshop Posted August 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 Ive got some mixed info on the 250. Some web sites say its one of the more uncommon of the Triumph family and others say its one of the least desireable. I personaly kinda like the fact that it is a car they never sought out to build. Like I said Im just starting to dwell in the Triumph lifestyle and so far love what Ive seen. Im pretty much a hot rod guy so the little 250 ads a touch of class to the otherwise faster,lower,louder ,and overall testostarone diiven garage. Id like to Know the opinion of real TR owners on the 250. Also your car looks great. Is there anywhere I can see biger pics of it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foster461 Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 Ive got some mixed info on the 250. Some web sites say its one of the more uncommon of the Triumph family and others say its one of the least desireable. I personaly kinda like the fact that it is a car they never sought out to build. Like I said Im just starting to dwell in the Triumph lifestyle and so far love what Ive seen. Im pretty much a hot rod guy so the little 250 ads a touch of class to the otherwise faster,lower,louder ,and overall testostarone diiven garage. Id like to Know the opinion of real TR owners on the 250. Also your car looks great. Is there anywhere I can see biger pics of it? Anyone that says the TR250 is the least desirable of the TR's is an idiot. There were only 8500 made (compared to around 90,000 TR6's). Only the TR5 had lower production numbers at around 3000 and production numbers aside, the TR5 and TR250 are truly classic British sports cars in all regards. I have a lot if pictures of my TR6 online, most people here are probably sick of them by now. Some recent ones at http://photobucket.com/REDTR6 This has been a continuing project for over 20 years but always on the road for the summers. Stan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dixiechopshop Posted August 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 thats good to know. I tried the rigging with the tee fitting and it worked great. The car runs pretty darn good all things consiering. I have ordered a british victorian parts book so maybe when it arrives Ill be able to make the connections a little more stock. got a few new pics on photobucket http://s305.photobucket.com/albums/nn219/d...roject%20TR250/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dixiechopshop Posted August 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 maybe I spoke to soon. I seem to have devolped a gas leak. at idle the car runs fine but once i put it in gear and give it some gas it starts leaking badly from a top hole on the right side carb. What is this hole and why is it leaking like a sieve? RATS! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
88V8 Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 maybe I spoke to soon. I seem to have devolped a gas leak. at idle the car runs fine but once i put it in gear and give it some gas it starts leaking badly from a top hole on the right side carb. What is this hole and why is it leaking like a sieve? RATS! Hi, until someone more knowledgeable posts this is a wild guess as I don't know the carbs, but it might be an overflow? if so the float has sunk or the needle valve is sticking or blocked with ****. Ivor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foster461 Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 maybe I spoke to soon. I seem to have devolped a gas leak. at idle the car runs fine but once i put it in gear and give it some gas it starts leaking badly from a top hole on the right side carb. What is this hole and why is it leaking like a sieve? RATS! The float chambers have a vent hole, if the float has punctured or the valve that shuts off the gas flow is stuck or the float is incorrectly adjusted the float chamber will fill up and will leak gas from wherever it can. You are going to have a bit of a learning curve if you have no prior experience with these little beauties, start reading here: http://www.buckeyetriumphs.org/technical/C...rbsI/CarbsI.htm Check the floats and the valve in the leaking carb. Regarding suppliers, The Roadster Factory amd Moss are good reliable suppliers who put a lot into this hobby. TRF is notorious for having anything you want on backorder so if you need something from them in a hurry, call first. Get on their mailing list and Moss also as they have periodic sales that you can take advantage for longer term but expensive projects. There are many smaller specialist suppliers that if you work with this TR250 for some time you will get to know. For parts made of unobtanium, eBay usually comes through eventually. There are several good organizations that you will find very helpful. For the TR6 and TR250 the 6pack has a large national following and the Vintage Triumph Register covers all Triumph cars. Both organizations have national events and local chapters although I'm not sure what you have in SC. http://www.6-pack.org http://www.vintagetriumphregister.org/ Stan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dixiechopshop Posted August 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2008 Stan,Alright Ive tried the easy fix listed in the rebuilding instructions you linked me to,but no luck. The carb wont leak at idle but after its given some gas it starts. So Ive siked myself up and are going to try to remove the carb and correctly fix the problem. My sons birthday is next weekend and my dad will be over. I know he would be thrilled to take a ride in the 250(maybe drive) so I might try just soaking the valve,as Im not sure If I could get a new one in time. As far as the float chamber gasket, got any Ideas? I know its gonna need replacing. Can you get these parts fairly comonly?like local part houses.( I know thats a dumb question but kinda reaching here.) Also do you or anybody know any sites that kinda have any do's and donts of TR restoration. I wanna restore it correctly but add some custom flare. Nothing dramatic, just things like maybe a birds eye maple dash and shaving the front bumper mounts. Would that be sacreligous to the TR community?( sorry my spelling is horrid) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foster461 Posted August 22, 2008 Report Share Posted August 22, 2008 Stan,Alright Ive tried the easy fix listed in the rebuilding instructions you linked me to,but no luck. The carb wont leak at idle but after its given some gas it starts. So Ive siked myself up and are going to try to remove the carb and correctly fix the problem. My sons birthday is next weekend and my dad will be over. I know he would be thrilled to take a ride in the 250(maybe drive) so I might try just soaking the valve,as Im not sure If I could get a new one in time. As far as the float chamber gasket, got any Ideas? I know its gonna need replacing. Can you get these parts fairly comonly?like local part houses.( I know thats a dumb question but kinda reaching here.) Also do you or anybody know any sites that kinda have any do's and donts of TR restoration. I wanna restore it correctly but add some custom flare. Nothing dramatic, just things like maybe a birds eye maple dash and shaving the front bumper mounts. Would that be sacreligous to the TR community?( sorry my spelling is horrid) Any of the big three will overnight you anything if you ever need something in a hurry. It is unlikely that you will find things like Stromberg gaskets locally unless you happen to live close to a supplier or rebuilder of those parts. Moss should have all the carb parts as well as complete rebult kits. http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=32750 Jeff Palya at Paltech will rebuild them for you and return them looking like new for a few hundred bucks. Regarding restoration, that is really a personal choice and in some part driven by what you intend to do with the car (show it, drive it, race it etc) but in general things like custom dash in say wallnut or maple, or leather interior or modified engines or alloy wheels (up to a point) that dont muck with the external appearance and character of the car are usually well received. Once you start messing with the body of a 250 I can imagine several people here starting to cringe depending on what you have in mind. If it was a TR6 I dont think too many people would care as so many were built that good original ones are common and its no big deal to me if someone sticks a small block chevy V8 in it and puts a scoop in the hood. I might not like it and consider it a waste of a good 6 but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. If a TR5 or 250 was getting butchered now that would bother me but in the end it aint my car and it is none of my business. Stan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dixiechopshop Posted August 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2008 So maybe not shave the bumper mounts? Ive seen some without the front bumper, and like the look. They have had( for lack of a better word) plugs. They dont look bad, But in my shop usually if your getting rid of somthing removing all trace of its being is cruical. Were the dixie chop shop for a reason, but I would never comprimise a true classic for any reason.As far as color are there many diffrent factory colors? I love the red of your 6 and the garnet of the car pictured above in this thread. Again I feel like a boob for having this beautiful machine and struggling with its history but I really appreciate your help and opinion. thanks again. Jeff Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foster461 Posted August 22, 2008 Report Share Posted August 22, 2008 So maybe not shave the bumper mounts? Ive seen some without the front bumper, and like the look. They have had( for lack of a better word) plugs. They dont look bad, But in my shop usually if your getting rid of somthing removing all trace of its being is cruical. Were the dixie chop shop for a reason, but I would never comprimise a true classic for any reason.As far as color are there many diffrent factory colors? I love the red of your 6 and the garnet of the car pictured above in this thread. Again I feel like a boob for having this beautiful machine and struggling with its history but I really appreciate your help and opinion. thanks again. Jeff One way I look at this is to ask is what I am about to do consistent with any period in the cars history and is it reversible. There is some wiggle room here.. There are TR's that were modified for racing and some people like to mirror that look. You see TR4's with no bumpers and just a lamp bar for example and that is a pretty cool look with the vents in the front fenders. There is an excllent book by Roger Williams: http://www.amazon.com/How-Restore-Triumph-...6201&sr=8-1 That should give you some pretty good guidance for a factory condition rebuild and paint colors. The TR 250 was a very pretty car with the special stripe paint job and good original color combinations. The 6-pack guys have just started gathering images of original car colors, hopefully this link will work: http://www.6-pack.org/sixpack//index.php?o...9&Itemid=41 Stan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saffrontr Posted August 22, 2008 Report Share Posted August 22, 2008 Hi Stan, Interesting link to the colours on the 6-pack site and well done to them for pulling together the images. I have to disagreee with them however that black was ever an original TR6 colour from the factory. It is possible that a Dealer could have painted a TR in that colour for a customer but it was never listed as available for the TR6 by the factory and I've never come across a build record for one. Anything is possible however and the factory did do special TR's to order and I have come across instances of TR6's with black hardtops in the factory build records. regards Derek Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foster461 Posted August 22, 2008 Report Share Posted August 22, 2008 Hi Stan, Interesting link to the colours on the 6-pack site and well done to them for pulling together the images. I have to disagreee with them however that black was ever an original TR6 colour from the factory. It is possible that a Dealer could have painted a TR in that colour for a customer but it was never listed as available for the TR6 by the factory and I've never come across a build record for one. Anything is possible however and the factory did do special TR's to order and I have come across instances of TR6's with black hardtops in the factory build records. regards Derek Hi Derek, that compilation of colors is a work in progress and perhaps the placeholder for Black was just a mistake. I just sent a note to ask and copied you on the email. If anyone here has a TR6 or 5/250 in an original factory color that Alan Atkinson doesnt yet have a picture of I'm sure he would love to hear from you - alanatkinson@hotmail.com Stan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
angelfj Posted August 22, 2008 Report Share Posted August 22, 2008 Ive recently acuired a 68 tr250. I got it friom a friend whos father and I were pretty tight.After his father passed the car sat for a while befor it was given to me. Im a car guy but dont know much about the triumphs. Ive got it close to cranking but seem to be missing a fule line that runs between the two carbs, also the connection for the line on the right carb.the brakes are also non existant. maybe just need bleeding? any help would be great. thanks.<a href="http://s305.photobucket.com/albums/nn219/dixiechopshop/?action=view¤t=trucks156.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn219/dixiechopshop/trucks156.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a> First of all hello! Congratulations on your new acquisition. Too bad about your friend, but I am sure he would be happy that someone else was enjoying the 250. I have owned my 250 since 1983 and at the time we were living in Charlotte, NC. I was involved in establishing the Triumph Club of the Carolinas, my membership card no is 4. If you plan to do most of the restoration, maintenance, etc, you need to follow many of the suggestions that the others have made. Get yourself a Bentley's Repair Manual. Also, consider contacting the TCOC. See: http://www.triumphclub.org/ There are many enthusiasts in your back yard. You are very lucky that except for the body panels all of those TR6's have very similar engine and drive train components, especially the early ones. Also, another great form is The British Car Forum – all kinds of British Cars and large TR group. See: http://www.britishcarforum.com/ Finally, if I can be of help, don't hesitate to ask. Actually, I'll be in Sumter in a few weeks. If you need any small bits and pieces let me know. Maybe we can meet somewhere. I always have time for good pork BBQ and "sweet" tea. Good luck and best regards, Frank Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foster461 Posted August 22, 2008 Report Share Posted August 22, 2008 First of all hello! Congratulations on your new acquisition. Too bad about your friend, but I am sure he would be happy that someone else was enjoying the 250. I have owned my 250 since 1983 and at the time we were living in Charlotte, NC. I was involved in establishing the Triumph Club of the Carolinas, my membership card no is 4. If you plan to do most of the restoration, maintenance, etc, you need to follow many of the suggestions that the others have made. Get yourself a Bentley's Repair Manual. Also, consider contacting the TCOC. See: http://www.triumphclub.org/ There are many enthusiasts in your back yard. You are very lucky that except for the body panels all of those TR6's have very similar engine and drive train components, especially the early ones. Also, another great form is The British Car Forum – all kinds of British Cars and large TR group. See: http://www.britishcarforum.com/ Finally, if I can be of help, don't hesitate to ask. Actually, I'll be in Sumter in a few weeks. If you need any small bits and pieces let me know. Maybe we can meet somewhere. I always have time for good pork BBQ and "sweet" tea. Good luck and best regards, Frank Frank, I was looking around to see if there was a local TR club (VTR affilate etc) in SC but I couldnt find anything and that surpsied me. Do you know if there is a local group that our anonymous freind could hook up with ? Stan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
angelfj Posted August 22, 2008 Report Share Posted August 22, 2008 (edited) Frank, I was looking around to see if there was a local TR club (VTR affilate etc) in SC but I couldnt find anything and that surpsied me. Do you know if there is a local group that our anonymous freind could hook up with ? Stan Hello Stan There may be other British Car related clubs, but the only one I am familiar with is TCOC. They are affiliates of VTR, TRA and The 6 Pack. Because of the large territory they have to cover, they are divided into regions. There is a region covering South Carolina and a VP responsible for club activities there: Mark Riesch Timmonsville, SC 843-346-5345 I don't know Mark personally, but I am sure he would be happy to chat with any prospective member. Regards, Frank Edited August 22, 2008 by angelfj Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dixiechopshop Posted August 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2008 Thanks for all the info guys. Ive started to remove the float chamber and have already hit a snag. the large brass plug in the middle of the chamber? does this screw out or pry? do I even need to remove it to get the chamber loose here some pics http://s305.photobucket.com/albums/nn219/d...roject%20TR250/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
angelfj Posted August 23, 2008 Report Share Posted August 23, 2008 Thanks for all the info guys. Ive started to remove the float chamber and have already hit a snag. the large brass plug in the middle of the chamber? does this screw out or pry? do I even need to remove it to get the chamber loose here some picshttp://s305.photobucket.com/albums/nn219/d...roject%20TR250/ get bentley manual - they explain step by step Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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