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Dear Sages

 

The issue of lower wishbone failure has cropped up in a couple of recent threads and a swift search of the forum yielded references from those who had either knowledge or experience of the event, but nothing specific in the way of detail.

 

I wondered if, for the benefit of the naive, inexperienced and blind amongst us (I score in all three categories, by the way), a few words, or even a gruesome picture, could be shared on what to look for and where, together with what precautions and preventions might be taken to avert disaster.

 

Apologies if I have missed the relevant thread - a reprimand and link will be equally fine.

 

Immense gratitude will ensue.

 

Paul

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Hi Paul,

have a look here http://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/20708-lower-wishbone-bracket-collapse/?hl=%2Blower+%2Bwishbone+%2Bfailure

 

It is for TR4/4A for the 6 chassis is similar.

The lower wishbone bracket is held on with one stud. This can pull through/snap/ do odd things.

Replacement with the double stud variety is recommended.

 

Whilst worrying about the wishbones also look at the vertical link where it joins the trunnion - is it perfectly clean or are there traces of corrosion :o

 

Roger

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The lower front inner wishbone mounting boxes can also tear away from the chassis if they havent been re-enforced. There is a kit of 4 plates available from all the usual suspects to help prevent this. The later cars did have one extra plate added but earlier ones like 4a`s didnt.

Stuart.

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Hi Paul,

have a look here http://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/20708-lower-wishbone-bracket-collapse/?hl=%2Blower+%2Bwishbone+%2Bfailure

 

It is for TR4/4A for the 6 chassis is similar.

The lower wishbone bracket is held on with one stud. This can pull through/snap/ do odd things.

Replacement with the double stud variety is recommended.

 

 

 

Roger

Only the 4a`s have the single bolt fixings TR5 on they were changed to 2 bolt by the factory.

Stuart.

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With thanks to TR4 Tony who has just reminded me that there is also an extra re-enforcing plate to fit inside the wishbone boxes the stop the studs pulling through if you use big sticky tyres and do throw the car about a bit. Part number 139580R. Though if you are also running a lot of neg camber you will need the longer stud version of the inner bracket available I believe from Revingtons.

Stuart.

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Deep gratitude, chaps. About to descend to the garage and look for repairs and/or cracks.

 

A google search also yielded the following link to the forum - would this be the beast?

 

 

With thanks to TR4 Tony who has just reminded me that there is also an extra re-enforcing plate to fit inside the wishbone boxes the stop the studs pulling through if you use big sticky tyres and do throw the car about a bit. Part number 139580R. Though if you are also running a lot of neg camber you will need the longer stud version of the inner bracket available I believe from Revingtons.

Stuart.

 

Hopefully not applicable, seeing as I am still some way short of the hooligan class.

 

Paul

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  • 2 years later...

Welding bolts is not a good idea, bolts typically are made or Cr-Mo material which can harden during welding resulting in cracks.

It is not impossible, but better avoided, unless you know how.

Regards,

Waldi

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(The lower front inner wishbone mounting boxes can also tear away from the chassis if they havent been re-enforced. There is a kit of 4 plates available from all the usual suspects to help prevent this. The later cars did have one extra plate added but earlier ones like 4a`s didnt.

Stuart.

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Stuart is that why my 1970 6 has a single support plate on the lower wishbone mounts nearest the bulkhead ?

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(The lower front inner wishbone mounting boxes can also tear away from the chassis if they havent been re-enforced. There is a kit of 4 plates available from all the usual suspects to help prevent this. The later cars did have one extra plate added but earlier ones like 4a`s didnt.

Stuart.

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Stuart is that why my 1970 6 has a single support plate on the lower wishbone mounts nearest the bulkhead ?

It is, the available re-enforcing kit actually contains 3 plates for each side as it covers 4a as well, you will need to only use two of them. Be aware the front one on the rear box (thats the shorter of the 3 ) needs to be fitted at an angle forward to allow clearance for the inner wishbone mounting bolt.

Stuart.

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I had to grind a radius on the back face of the thick plates to ensure the plates were properly seating against the existing brackets. So I recommend to verify this if you install them.

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Are the thicker plates used just like oversized washers, or is it necessary to weld them to the original wishbone boxes? Stuart mentioned that some applications may need wishbone brackets with longer studs, so just how thick are these strengthening plates? Are they something which anyone could make up with a bit of plate, grinder and pillar drill?

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Are the thicker plates used just like oversized washers, or is it necessary to weld them to the original wishbone boxes? Stuart mentioned that some applications may need wishbone brackets with longer studs, so just how thick are these strengthening plates? Are they something which anyone could make up with a bit of plate, grinder and pillar drill?

 

They just slot neatly in at the back, same shape as the vertical plate. Don't think welding them would achieve much, they stop the nuts and washers pulling through. Think they were about 10 gauge, plated, but you could make them. I didn't need longer studs, but probably depends how many alignment shims you have in.

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Are the thicker plates used just like oversized washers, or is it necessary to weld them to the original wishbone boxes? Stuart mentioned that some applications may need wishbone brackets with longer studs, so just how thick are these strengthening plates? Are they something which anyone could make up with a bit of plate, grinder and pillar drill?

You will need the longer studded inner brackets to fit these if you have the usual 3 shims fitted. The plates do sometimes need the corners grinding off as the original welding around the inside of the box sometimes wont let them sit in flat.

Stuart.

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