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Good evening

I have inconstant readings, most of the times is charging but without apparent reason sometimes is not .

This hapens with lights off or on.

A recent ground connections clean all around, improved the charging always reading +

I suspect the aging battery or the rectifier

Were and how should I look ?

1971 TR, injection

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The ammeter should not be showing a charge most of the time.  It is intended only to show the current flowing into and out of the battery.  

Normally there will be a charge shown immediately after starting the engine as the battery re-charges but this will decrease fairly rapidly and after a few minutes the meter should read zero and remain there for the rest of the time.   If there is a constant charge shown, something is wrong -  maybe the battery is failing or perhaps it is a wiring problem.  It could even be a fault in the alternator making the output voltage too high. 

Sometimes people attach loads such as fuel pump, fans, lights etc directly to the to the battery + terminal and the current taken by these is indicated as a charge on the ammeter, though it is really not.  

Do you have a voltmeter?  If so, the battery voltage with the engine running should not exceed 14.7 Volts.  

With the ignition off and after a few minutes at rest, the battery voltage should be about 12.6 Volts if the battery is fully charged.  

 

 

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Mine is also “charging” when not needed, in my case the needle is stuck a bit; it I tap hard it falls to zero.

It is too much effort for me to remove the instrument for repair (LHD car).

Waldi

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I just check the batery age and is... more than five years hold, and with de "one year of 24 months" it's time to replace and check if there is improvement

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Just a update

Replaced battery and inconstancy in amp readings prevails.

Next, ty to use Lucas fault diagnosis manual and check charging and voltage regulator.

Next step, on my wish list is replace alternator but Im confused about wich one of the type prposed on Moss catalog, and also if I need a new voltage regulator and connection kit.

See what type of alternator currently on tr

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You have an early Lucas 16ACR alternator and I don't think these are available now.  This has different connections to the later type which is commonly available. There is no external voltage regulator- it is inside the alternator. 

 If you fit one of the 18ACR replacements (which is a useful upgrade in current output) some minor wiring changes will be necessary and you will need the later three-pin plug.  (Moss - GEU250) to connect to part of your existing loom.  Moss include instruction on how to do this.

https://www.moss-europe.co.uk/media/pdf/GEU250_instructions.pdf

 

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Before replacing the alternator, I would first check the voltage across the battery poles, you may be chasing a ghost.

If you can connect an Amp-meter in series between battery and “feed” that would tell you everything. Be carefull not to run the engine without the battery connected, the alternator may otherwise be damaged.

Waldi

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On 7/11/2023 at 11:14 PM, tr6tuga said:

Good evening

I have inconstant readings, most of the times is charging but without apparent reason sometimes is not .

This hapens with lights off or on.

A recent ground connections clean all around, improved the charging always reading +

I suspect the aging battery or the rectifier

Were and how should I look ?

1971 TR, injection

thank you 

I'm curious as to why you feel replacing the battery is the right course?

As I've learned over the last year with our TR 6, it can take time to get to the real gremlins (still chasing 1 at present). I would put the battery on a trickle charger, such as the Ctech one to determine if the battery is healthy as it can also run the battery through desulphurisation and other cycles...  If you start the car, and disconnect the Alternator does your engine still run, for 10-20 mins? If it does, then I'd be more inclined to sending the Alternator to a specialist to test, and recondition. If the car doesn't run for 10-20 mins, I would be looking more at the battery.

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When I checked the battery I found that she was leaking, the plastic tray had traces of acid ... and the plastic tray was broken...and when fitting the kidneys a nice trace of white powder over the tunel carpet...

This is wy I started with the battery...

As Forrest Gump said, Triumph are like a box of chocolat, you never know what you are gonna get 

Still... 

prefer to push a Triumph than to own a MG:)

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