RogerH Posted October 19, 2013 Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 Hi Folks, spotted this on the CT forum and it is causing a bit of intrigue as to what it is. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/331045388161?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 Early rocker cover Fan on the water pump Dipstick to the rear Lots of head gaskets Answers on a postcard Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dick Posted October 19, 2013 Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 I suspect that it is an agricultural or industrial engine. The block looks Vanguard / TR due to the starter motor position and the water pump fan and starting handle guide are Fergy tractor. If the orange paint is original it could point to an Allis Chalmers agricultural implement. It would be interesting to know what the compression ratio is, as this would determine if it is petrol / petrol parafin or TVO. If I had to guess, I would say, combine harvester and it is TVO fueled. If it was nearer I would be interested at the right price. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ianc Posted October 19, 2013 Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 The block casting for the Fergie is massively thick, as it is a structural member connecting the front axle to the rear end of the tractor (beating Formula One constructors by several decades!), and the starter motor was on the left of petrol-engined versions. The tractor, which was governed to not exceed 2000 rpm, had semi-circular inlet and exhaust ports. Ian Cornish Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alec Pringle Posted October 19, 2013 Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 The L prefix usually indicates a Standard saloon, the H suffix a high compression engine, and I'd guess a later Vanguard III unit - 92 x 85mm, not 91mm. Cheers Alec Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted October 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 Regarding the fuel type and compression - it does appear to have four head gaskets insitu. The L prefix may be BL or FL - there is something before the L Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alec Pringle Posted October 19, 2013 Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 FL, as it says in the listing. The multiple head gaskets are bizarre, presumably to lower the compression. Orange paint looks to be a later addition over a black block. Combustion chamber looks like Vanguard, as do the studs. Cheers Alec Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dick Posted October 19, 2013 Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 Fitting more head gaskets was a cheap way of dropping the compression ration so that parafin, TVO and even Lamp Oil could be used. Apparently these DIY methods were used to enable lower priced fuels to be used in Fergy TEA20 tractors which were straight petrol....as mine is.......due to the cost of petrol becoming excessive for farm use. In a non tractor application the engine was probably not have been a structural part of the machine hence the hybrid of car and agricultural parts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ntc Posted October 19, 2013 Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 The last time I saw an engine in orange like that ( 12 years old ) was used to power a saw bench in managed woodland Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LGFromage Posted October 19, 2013 Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 Based on the starting handle guide I suggest that it is a TR engine from a Morgan. Tim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AlanT Posted October 19, 2013 Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 I reckon this is a bitsa. The fan method is how I remember a Ferguson. The back end suits a car. If I had somewhere to put it I'd buy it just to find out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alec Pringle Posted October 19, 2013 Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 Certainly isn't of Moggie origin, the +4 had either a V prefix Vanguard engine or a TS (and later CT) prefix TR engine. Vanguards had the water pump mounted fan, as did Ensigns. FL is not a prefix I can recall having come across before, and FL2E is a very low number whatever the original application might have been, so it may have some historical significance ? Hopefully Bill P or Graham R might have the answer ? Cheers Alec Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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