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Hi all

I have a TR4A and it has just failed its MOT because of too much play at the rear. MOT people suspect bearings.

 

I jacked the car up and, yes, there is some play. It is not in/out but up/down play, if you understand me.

It is not a lot but MOT's in NI are Govt run and very tight! There is no noise that I can hear. The wheel turned on the jack ok with no noise or feel of broken bearings. The big nut (not me!) holding it all together is tight. Will need a puller to explore further. Could it be that they are starting to go and this is the first sign?

 

Anyway I have got new bearings (plus seals etc) and am getting someone to carry out the work for me.

 

I have got the article from the TR Register Cd and some info from this Forum.

However, do you think that this is definately the bearings? Could it be anything else?

The CD makes the process sound difficult? Is it?

Any advice? Should it be able to be done without removing the rear suspension?

 

As always any advice appreciated

 

John

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Do you mean that, when grabbing the wheel one hand at the top and one at the bottom, you can feel soms play by rocking the wheel (pushing at the top and pulling at the bottom and vice versa)? Removing the hub bearings in notoriously difficult, and someone with the right tools will ruin one or two for repairing one succesfully. If it are the bearings, you can buy a reconditioned one, swapping for your own, or find someone who has done this job regularly.

I once had noisy bearings in a TR6 wheel hub and almost no play : drilling and tapping in the hub and fitting a grease nipple allowed to get grease at the bearing : the noise had gone, but I suppose this will not do much for the play.

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Hi John,

usually when the hub has detectable play there is noise from the bearing - quite often it is the other way around, bearing noise with no play.

The safest way is to put in an exchange hub and let an expert replace the bearings in your old unit at their leisure and cost.

The exchange consists of the big lump with the big nut (not you) and the yoke at the back to take the UJ.

This will bolt straight on. Costs vary, thus shop around.

 

Replacing your own bearings requires a big press, DTI's and a good degree of skill in this ancient art!!!

 

Before you go too far Is it the bearings. Have tightened the wheel nuts - I know it sounds silly. Also are the six nuts, holding the existing hub in place, tight. Worth checking.

 

Best luck

Roger

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Hi Roger thanks.

 

The brake drum also moves slightly so not wire wheels or loose spokes?

 

Will check the 6(or8?) nuts holding the hub on once I expose them. Need to remove the drums etc with a puller first is that correct.

Obviously I need to discuss again with the engineer beforehand to ensure he knows what he is letting himself in for! In fairness he did say that although he has not done a TR4A before he is aware of what isor might be required.

 

John

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Hi John,

Replacing your own bearings requires a big press, DTI's and a good degree of skill in this ancient art!!!

 

Before you go too far Is it the bearings. Have tightened the wheel nuts - I know it sounds silly. Also are the six nuts, holding the existing hub in place, tight. Worth checking.

 

Best luck

Roger

"Worth checking the six nuts" : sure, because the studs are srewed in the aluminium trailing arm, and stripping the threads of these studs is very common : when several studs have come loose in this way, you can move the wheel together with the hub housing.

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Hi all

I have a TR4A and it has just failed its MOT because of too much play at the rear. MOT people suspect bearings.

 

I jacked the car up and, yes, there is some play. It is not in/out but up/down play, if you understand me.

It is not a lot but MOT's in NI are Govt run and very tight! There is no noise that I can hear. The wheel turned on the jack ok with no noise or feel of broken bearings. The big nut (not me!) holding it all together is tight. Will need a puller to explore further. Could it be that they are starting to go and this is the first sign?

 

Anyway I have got new bearings (plus seals etc) and am getting someone to carry out the work for me.

 

I have got the article from the TR Register Cd and some info from this Forum.

However, do you think that this is definately the bearings? Could it be anything else?

The CD makes the process sound difficult? Is it?

Any advice? Should it be able to be done without removing the rear suspension?

 

As always any advice appreciated

 

John

 

John,

 

Sounds like rear hub assembly is on the way out - TR bitz are the cheapest supplier - I bought two at the international this year for £65 each - Other suppliers are charging around £95+ vat

 

This is definately the way to go - rebuilding will probably cost you more - assuming they can do it OK. It is not a straighforward job - big press required - collapsable spacers etc etc

 

Changing the HUB is easy - just be careful with the six bolts holding the hub in the rear training arm - it is easy to strip the threads in the aluminium trailing arm on reassembly -probably best to fit a new universal joint as well.

 

regards Graham

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I know you're not supposed to do, this but it works....... if the bearings are running smoothly and there is just too much play in them, simply fold back the locking washer on the backing nuts undo the lock nut and reset the bearing preload to give the correct end float then relock and fold back the locking washer....... job done....... they are after all simply opposed taper roller bearings much like the front wheels.

A big press is the route to many bent flanges....... the flange has to be bolted to a substantial metal block with a hole in the centre this in turn is attached to a bearing or hub puller of gargantuan proportions, then once the correct torque has been applied to the center spindel the whole thing has to be wacked with exactly the right force in exactly the right place....... this really is a 'Black Art'........ I've seen it done by Chris Witor of the Triumph 2000 Register..... not to be tried at home by the uninitated!!

Cheers Rob

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Guys

 

Er Um, re-reading the original posting, i'm unsure. The reference to pullers is confusing me.

 

Magoo

 

Is this an Independant Rear Suspension 4A or one of the, quite rare over here, Solid Axle 4a's? To date the assumption is that it is the former and the advice that has been given is top notch for that scenario. But if it is a solid axle car all is different.

 

Regards

 

Tim

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Thanks for all info chaps, much appreciated.

 

I will go the replacement hub route and send back the bearings.

 

Seems best plan is to check the 6 bolts first. If they are ok then get new hub and replace.

 

Most suppliers out at present but will keep trying. Have not tried TRBitz yet.

 

Off on hols for a week but I shall keep you informed

 

Regards

 

John

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  • 2 weeks later...

Update.

Got an exchange hub from Rimmer, everyone else was out of stock.

 

Bearings had started to go when the unit was stripped down. New unit went in with no difficulty.

All well, going for mot tomorrow. No problems anticipated.

 

Thanks to everyone for their assistance and advice

Regards

John

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