markymar93 Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 Hi. I know it is a long shot but I'm planning a rebuild on a tr2 in preparation for timed rallies and hopefully applying for the mille miglia. Does anyone have any experience or recommendations on the guidelines to follow? Thanks mark Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alec Pringle Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 First achieve a world class restoration, then spend a few years gaining experience in historic competition, and build a personal reputation sufficient to encourage the organisers of the Mille Miglia to even consider your application. By then the current £7+K entry fee will probably have risen to five figures, and the waiting list for places may well be into the latter half of the century. That aside, join the TR Register and start learning from the ground up the way we all did . . . . perusing the Technicalities CD and the CD of the first 200 issues of TR Action will offer some useful background hints and tips. So will the various TR modification, preparation, tuning manuals produced over the years. The MSA Blue Book is required reading from a technical viewpoint in respect of UK competition, and you'll need to become acquainted with the relevant FIA appendices too if you're looking to anything resembling serious events. There are no shortcuts - not unless you can afford to pay someone like TR Enterprises £50+K to rebuild your car to a basic competitive condition, and then pay them a great deal more to prepare and run the car such that you simply turn up and drive . . . . Cheers Alec Quote Link to post Share on other sites
john.r.davies Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 (edited) A wonderful ambition! You will need to restore and prepare your car to the strictest Appendix K (http://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/regulation/file/2012_Annexe%20K_22.06.2012.pdf) spec. I don't know what regs the modern Mille Miglia is run to, so the need or not for International competion licences etc. and posisbly to make sure that your was true to the TR2 holomologation spec. I can't remember if there have been any TR2s in the Classic Le Mans, but there certainly were in the day, so you would be eligable for that, and if there are none, easier to get in, if as costly as MM. While CLM is no walk in the park, and again, I don't know how the modern event is arranged, but the original MM was a car, and driver, breaker. CLM includes three sessions in 24 hours for each group, so might be better first target. Several TRR members have run CLM so seek advice! Oh, and did you see a TV programme a while ago about the MM? An enormously wealthy UK person had bought a UK historic car, had it rebuilt and restored professionally ready for the MM, brought along the restorers van with mechanics and parts - and broke down, irretrieveably, a few yards past the start. Heartbreaking, as well as car and driver breaking. John Edited December 8, 2013 by john.r.davies Quote Link to post Share on other sites
peejay4A Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 (edited) That was James Martin, TV chef and petrolhead but wasn't it a Maserati or have I got the wrong bloke? Edited December 9, 2013 by peejay4A Quote Link to post Share on other sites
markymar93 Posted December 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Hi. you were right it was James Martin. The idea is that I am going to use my P1800 as a car to gain experience in timed rallies and similar events. Whilst building my experience, my TR3 will get on the road. Once that is done, I am going to set work on the TR2. The year will give me time to build up the necessary parts and information I need to put this together to the standards required. The TR2, is already completley stripped down and therefore is ideally set up for a full rebuild to meet the necessary FIA standards and to concours level. I know that it will be difficult to get the TR2 onto the MM, based on the waiting list, however, after seeing a few videos on it, I think it would be a great event and a once in a lifetime oppourtunity. My brother has already agreed to put half the money in for the event and therefore, it makes it a little easier to swallow on the fees lol. I know that they need as much history as possible on the car and I am therefore writing to the previous owners to see if they have anything as I am a little short of paperwork. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
markymar93 Posted December 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Forgot to say thank you for the help so far. I really appreciate it. I will be joining the TR Register. I have to say the guys on here are so helpful, especially compared to some other groups. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
peejay4A Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Best of luck. If you're looking for pit crew for the MM... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Badfrog Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Good ol' Alec ... Not saying you're wrong, tho. Badfrog Quote Link to post Share on other sites
john.r.davies Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Alec, thanks for the correction! But the point is the same! JOhn Quote Link to post Share on other sites
markymar93 Posted December 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 I finally got the v5 back for my TR2 today. V5 says I am the second owner. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
markymar93 Posted December 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 By the way, although it may be 2-3 years off, if anyone mentions pit crew, be warned I may take you up on it lol. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alec Pringle Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Have a good look at www.1000miglia.eu and in particular the selection criteria outlined in the 'Norms & Regulations' downloadable pdf files. The event is hugely oversubscribed, and I wouldn't be unduly optimistic about a TR2 gaining a place, not unless it's one that actually competed in period. Otherwise a driver of considerable celebrity might help ? V5 documents are not always entirely reliable, all too often there is no record of the owners prior to the changeover from the old green logbook, the owner at the time being recorded as the first owner on the V5 . . . . a dozen previous owners since new notwithstanding ! Cheers Alec Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ntc Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 As far as I know you can now only be considered an entry if the car has done the event before Quote Link to post Share on other sites
markymar93 Posted December 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Hi. I do know it is a long shot on the MM. However, I still think it is a good thing to get the car into such a condition that it might stand a chance. Even if it is not successful, I will still have a car that I can be very proud of. I will have a good ready through all the relevant paperwork and I hope you don't mind if I keep asking questions. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
markymar93 Posted December 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 It has to be the same make and model as a car that has done it before. Not necessarily competed itself in the MM before. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ntc Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 It has to be the same make and model as a car that has done it before. Not necessarily competed itself in the MM before. Good luck with that A friend of mine had to buy a Healey that had done it before to be considered Quote Link to post Share on other sites
markymar93 Posted December 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Will see what happens. Just pleased that there are plenty of people already providing help. I think I will start with joining the Register, reading the MM guidelines and FIA and then to research as much of the history as I can on the car. Have to research my TR3 history as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alec Pringle Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 To be accurate, a handful of places are reserved as possible entries for cars of a type that didn't compete in the MM but did compete in period, either at international level or at Italian national level. This category is the exception to the normal rule. The overwhelming bulk of places on the grid are reserved for cars of a type (make and model) identical to cars which did in fact compete, and preference is given firstly to individual cars which actually competed in the MM, then secondly to individual cars which competed at international or Italian national level even though not in the MM itself, and finally to cars which have no individual period history. The final category may not in reality even exist in a given year, as selection is down to a committee who can and do make their own decisions based on the published guidelines, which allow more than adequate room for Italian manoeuvre. The grid could be filled many times over . . . . The likelihood of any TR2 without actual individual MM history achieving a place is probably rather less than the cubic root of b*gg*r all. That's not being unnecessarily negative, it is simple realism I'm afraid. Cheers Alec Quote Link to post Share on other sites
markymar93 Posted December 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 It is a fair comment. Will still give it a go. I suspect I may end up with another car between now and the TR2 being completed, which may be a better match anyway. Will have to wait and see. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
markymar93 Posted December 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 will not stop the TR2 being completed and enjoyed. It has spent way too long off the road and deserves to be rebuilt. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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