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Good to see you & Bailey last weekend, Dave. Hope you both had fun?
I've got a couple of in-car videos from last weekend - the first from the combined Classic K and Group 1 Swinging 60's race in Mark (Campbell)'s TR4, the second from his TR5 in the combined Swniging 60's Group 2, Modern & Future Classics.
Mark & I shared the Classic K race in the TR4, and he came in for the driver change early on in the race on lap 8, to give me a longer stint, as he wanted to do the 60's Grp2 race solo. It was certainly interesting being mixed in with the lightweight Group 1 cars on modern Yokohama tyres, when the Classic K cars were running Dunlop cross-plies! The corner speeds were very different and the straight line speed much the same. We both had a good run but unfortunately we accidentally cut the pit stop short by 4 seconds (mandatory 1:30 time in the pitlane, entry to exit. Quite hard to judge! 1 minute stationary stops are a lot easier to time! The penalty for a short stop is 30 seconds plus the error time of 4 secs, which unfortunately dropped us down from 1st in class to 2nd and 4th overall in Classic K to 6th. Oh well! With a light fuel load and a bit of clear space I managed to set our fastest lap on the last lap, which I was really pleased with. Mark is experimenting with the suspension setup on the car, making it softer at each meeting. This works well with the cross-ply tyres and their limited grip, but we've maybe gone a touch too far now, so there will be more tweaks next season!
Ben
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On 7/15/2023 at 5:05 PM, Phil Smith said:
Hi Please can anyone give me the depth dimension of the lip that takes the rubber seal on a genuine tr4 backlight frame thanks I belive its 10mm?
Are we talking about the window seal or the rear deck seal?
Window seal lip is on average 9-10mm. The lip for the rear deck seal is around 7mm.
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12 minutes ago, stuart said:
Didnt Jeff Marks show you how easy they went in?
Stuart.
He holds the Guiness World Record for fitting Surrey Screens ;-) I've fitted about half a dozen, he's lost count!
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On 7/11/2023 at 10:17 PM, hawaiizac said:
Hello, I am working on restoring a tr4 Surry top. Does anyone have a picture of the inside rear pillar trims on the inside of the backlight? We were going to make them, unless someone has a lead on a source? Thanks so much for your help.
We've got plenty of these in stock if you get stuck :-) Can also supply a pattern to cut the fabric to as well.
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It's not quite as much as that, more like 6 or 7mm. If I remember, I can measure a genuine frame tomorrow.
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Glad you got it fitted in the end, Gareth. The seals do appear to be too long and they can be tricky to keep on the screen while you're fitting it to the frame!
Here are two that I've just fitted. One went in really easily, the other put up a bit of a fight - and for no reason, it's just pot luck!
Please wait while image is uploading...
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Nice one Hamish!
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Quick summary of events at Croft last weekend for the "Nostalgia" meeting:
My good friend and customer Karl Wetherell had entered his FIA TR4 into the Guards Trophy race and also the Historic Road Sports race, in the invitation class.
The Guards Trophy is for FIA appendix K prepared GT cars (pre '66) and Sports Racers - closed wheel single seaters (Lenhams, Chevrons, Lotus' etc). Historic Road Sports is for pre 1970 sports cars / coupes with only very minor modifications, hence why the TR4 was an invitation car. The Road Sports race was split into 2 races over 2 days and Karl kindly offered me race 2 on the Sunday. Neither of us had raced the car for 3 years!
The weather on Saturday was very mixed. Qualifying for HRS was in the dry but the race itself was exceptionally wet. The car has now been built for 5 years and it chose the last 30 seconds in the assembly area before the race start to spit the wiper arm off! With the tools 300yds away in the pit lane, Karl just had to go out on the green flag lap and pit once the race was under way! Rain on the outside of the screen was only half the problem - the screen was totally fogged up on the inside! The heated screen had somehow become disconnected and wasn't working. The unfortunate result of pitting in a 20 min race was that Karl came dead-last!
I had to qualify out of session for race 2 of HRS, so I was put in with 70's Road Sports under strict instructions from the Clerk of the Course to only do 3 laps, as my times wouldn't count anyway. I'd be starting at the back of the grid, regardless. Fortunately for me, the track was dry by then.
We woke on Sunday morning to yet more light rain... Karl was out first for the Guards Trophy qualifying. Wiper arm now firmly attached and heated screen reconnected, he went out and put some consistent times in and stayed out of trouble.
Then came my race at 11:35 in HRS. The track was still damp and there was a lot of oil on the surface. Normally the TR4 is quite difficult to get off the line due to the paddle clutch and tall 1st gear. However, due to starting at the back, it didn't appear to be slow off the line this time, rapidly gaining on the lower powered cars in front. Jonathan Rose in his Lotus Elan was also with me on the back row and we were both aiming for the same gaps. Due to the conditions and not wanting to damage Karl's car, I didn't fight too hard for positions at the start. I hung back a little and took my preferred lines, always ending up with a better exit than those driving defensively. This paid off and as the pack spread out I was able to pick cars off one by one, with some great battles along the way. In 12 laps I gained 12 places, ending in P9. A somewhat artificial result, as normally we would've qualified 6th or 7th, but it was enormous fun!
Footage of the race here:
In the afternoon, Karl gridded up for the 40-min Guards Trophy race. By this time, the sun had come out and the track was totally dry. With the confidence to push on, he finished a very respectable 12th out of 17 starters, beating 3 MGBs and even a Lotus 23B!
All in all, a great weekend was had. We're now looking forward to a busy 2023 season.
Ben.
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Well done John & Dave/Bailey! Sorry I didn't get chance to say hello at the circuit John - with 2 qualifying sessions and 2 races in one day, we barely had time to sit down.
Here was my summary from Oulton, copied from my Facebook post:
Woke up that morning to a wet track... Not ideal, as we were the first group to qualify at 8:30 and I hadn't driven Mark's TR5 before and had only managed a couple of laps around the circuit in Karl's TR4 about 5 years ago.
Mark went out first to put a time in that would hopefully get us near the front row.
I then jumped in and had to try and learn the braking points and the limits of the car on a drying but greasy track! Every corner was different in terms of grip and with each lap, that changed again and again.
The TR5 is so much more powerful than the TR4 and also has much more powerful brakes. In the dry, it also has a lot more grip!
Predictably, having not had time to explore the limits of the car, we only qualified mid-pack. In hindsight, Mark should maybe have gone out again at the end and put it on pole
A short break and then we were out in the TR4 for the next qualifying session. Mark went out first and put some storming laps in. Sadly 2 were disallowed due to exceeding track limits.
I jumped in and felt instantly at home. The ex- Andy Somerville car now handling very similarly to Karl's TR4 (which I've had a lot of time in, albeit 3 years ago). The track was now almost completely dry and I got to grips with the car and circuit, my time being a second or so adrift from Mark.
The Swinging 60s race in the 5 could've gone slightly better... Unfortunately too many people went for the same gap off the start line and Mark ended up being tapped into a spin, destroying the rim and ending our race before the first corner
The Classic K race went much better, with Mark keeping pace with highly developed cars with very experienced drivers. I jumped in at the halfway point, but unfortunately the race was red-flagged halfway through my second flying lap!
The car ran very well and Mark managed to get the car into 5th position overall, which was a fantastic result given the competition!
Photos copyright: David Stallard Photography
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On 2/17/2022 at 9:23 AM, roy53 said:
I saw that race Ben ,well done first time out.
Roy
Thanks Roy! It was a bit of a mixed bunch-semi pro drivers in 400bhp+ cars on slicks on track at the same time. Just had to bring the car back in one piece! Our lap times are almost identical now, so we make a consistent team in longer races.
Ben
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55 minutes ago, stuart said:
Really? Never come across this.
Stuart.
Yep. I had to research this when reproducing the back light frames. A local contact and life-long TR enthusiast has a very rotten but totally original TR5 in his workshop, so I went to take a look. It was parked up with something like 30k on it, 40 years ago and has never been apart. The hard top was fitted from new.
Ben
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The Masters All-comers race at Brands Hatch GP,2016 was my first ever race, in Karl Wetherell's FIA TR4. In at the deep end! The guy in the Ginetta was a novice in someone else's car and held me up on every single corner. I got past him a couple of times, but he'd just out accelerate me every time.
Since bringing the car back in one piece, he invited me to share the drive at quite a few more events. Looking forward to getting back out there this year, after 2 years off.
Ben
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You've probably already dealt with this now, but those lumps on the underside show that the frame was originally for a 4A or 5. They're only there to stop the trim panels flapping about. To fit a later frame to a 4, you'll need to grind the lumps off. The only other differences between a 4 frame and a 4A/5 is that the later frames have longer studs in the first position aft of the B post. These studs, instead of going through the deck (like on a 4), slide past the deck in this area and would originally have had a folded steel bracket that hooks under the lip of the deck.
Croft, Saturday 14th October
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Now for the Swinging 60's Group 2 race. Mark qualified 9th on the combine grid and 1st of the Swinging 60's (by 0.1 secs!). In the race he got an excellent start and as you'll see in the video, progressively made his way through the pack.
He also had a 20 second success penalty to serve, from his last win at Oulton Park, so at the start of the race we had no idea where he might finish! However, he was lucky that he was able to pit during a "Code 60" flag (basically a virtual safety car, where everyone must maintain their track position & gap to the car in front and maintain a speed of 60 km/h). This effectively nullified the 20 sec penalty and he was able to get back out on track at full race pace.
Some of the more powerful cars had problems and Mark was able to secure a race win in the Swinging 60's and 2nd overall in the combined race, 38 secs behind the Porsche 944 Turbo of Richard Harman after 40 minutes.
On the day of the race I fitted a newly acquired knock-off Go Pro... I hadn't had chance to try different setups so unfortunately the sound is terrible and the picture a bit wobbly, but I'll address this next time out. Here are the opening few laps:
Cheers, Ben