SalemdjaidjaiTR3 Posted August 16, 2022 Report Share Posted August 16, 2022 Since my original oil sump of my TR3 leaked permanently at the sealing (sump rim was heavyly bended) I bought an aluminium sump which is offered by various suppliers. I found that inside the sump are three stiffeners (for whatever reason). One of those had contact with the oil pump as well at the oil pump flange where it is mounted to the motor block. On this way I would like to warn all buyers of this item that they have to partly remove the stiffener in the range of the oil pump and also needs to grind away a piece from the rim at the pump flange in order to correctly mount the sump to the motor. The splash plate is a joke compared to the original. It is thin and weak and I hardly believe that it will stay in place once the motor is running. So I drilled four holes and thread in the rim and fixed the plate by 4 screws M3. The cut off in the splash plate also needs to be enlarged in order to allow the oil pump filter to pass through. In addition the Al-sump is about 4 cm higher than the original so be careful about obstacles on the road. Attached a pdf document with some photographs. Good luck Djaidjai Ölwanne.pdf Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stuart Posted August 16, 2022 Report Share Posted August 16, 2022 Where did you purchase this from as its very poorly designed by the looks of it? Stuart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytr5 Posted August 16, 2022 Report Share Posted August 16, 2022 Stuart, could be Bastuck as he lives in Germany. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RobTR3 Posted August 16, 2022 Report Share Posted August 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, harrytr5 said: Stuart, could be Bastuck as he lives in Germany. It's not Bastuck. Their sump has their name embossed on the bottom of the sump. Bought mine from TR shop with no such issues. Rob Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlueTR3A-5EKT Posted August 16, 2022 Report Share Posted August 16, 2022 Limora? Item 30 @. 259 euro https://www.limora.com/de/oelwanne/10832/ https://www.limora.com/de/triumph/triumph-tr2-bis-tr4a-1953-1967/motor/oelwanne/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TwinCamJohn Posted August 16, 2022 Report Share Posted August 16, 2022 Have you contacted the supplier and told them about the problems? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ijonsson Posted August 18, 2022 Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 Some years ago I fitted an Alu sump to the TR6 I had then, the problem there was that I got a strange knocking sound that was driving me crazy until I found out that it was the crankshaft just hitting the stainless steel splash plate. There also was the problem,as Djaidjai wrote, of not being opening enough for the oil pump. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SalemdjaidjaiTR3 Posted August 18, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 I bought this part from Limora and found the same in Ebay for a much higher price. I contacted Limora, explained the issue and the only answer from them was that the part was designed to fit to motors with a different or newer oil pump. In the catalogue nothing is mentioned about this. I try to push them to inform about the incompatiblity with the old oil pump in their catalogue. Hope I will have success. Meanwhile I'm thinking about correcting the rim of my original oil sump in order to use it again. Does anybody have experience with this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlueTR3A-5EKT Posted August 18, 2022 Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 1 hour ago, SalemdjaidjaiTR3 said: I bought this part from Limora and found the same in Ebay for a much higher price. I contacted Limora, explained the issue and the only answer from them was that the part was designed to fit to motors with a different or newer oil pump. In the catalogue nothing is mentioned about this. I try to push them to inform about the incompatiblity with the old oil pump in their catalogue. Hope I will have success. Meanwhile I'm thinking about correcting the rim of my original oil sump in order to use it again. Does anybody have experience with this. If you were in the USA you would have your lawyers on standby. Any one on here heard of a special pump for a TR2-4 wet liner engine to clear the alloy sump? The TR2-4A wet liner engines all had the same oil pump fitted part number 200155 Or as Limora call it 2884 https://www.limora.com/en/triumph/triumph-tr2-to-tr4a-1953-1967/engine/oil-sump/ Ask Limora, who clearly think they are specialists, to provide you with this special pump or even a photo of it as they do not list it. The only oil pump modification for an alloy sump that I have ever seen is a shorthand pick up end plate to allow a shorter sump to be fitted to keep the sump inside the chassis. I could of course be wrong See Racetorations https://www.racetorations.co.uk/product/reduced-height-aluminium-race-oil-sump-tr2-4a/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stuart Posted August 19, 2022 Report Share Posted August 19, 2022 On 8/18/2022 at 9:54 AM, BlueTR3A-5EKT said: If you were in the USA you would have your lawyers on standby. Any one on here heard of a special pump for a TR2-4 wet liner engine to clear the alloy sump? The TR2-4A wet liner engines all had the same oil pump fitted part number 200155 Or as Limora call it 2884 https://www.limora.com/en/triumph/triumph-tr2-to-tr4a-1953-1967/engine/oil-sump/ Ask Limora, who clearly think they are specialists, to provide you with this special pump or even a photo of it as they do not list it. The only oil pump modification for an alloy sump that I have ever seen is a shorthand pick up end plate to allow a shorter sump to be fitted to keep the sump inside the chassis. I could of course be wrong See Racetorations https://www.racetorations.co.uk/product/reduced-height-aluminium-race-oil-sump-tr2-4a/ Yes theyre making it up,never seen a different pump. Stuart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nobbysr Posted September 2, 2022 Report Share Posted September 2, 2022 I have Moss variant which will put up for sale i a couple of weeks and all their sumps have posts with threaded hole in no idea what they are for and Moss couldn't enlighten me . I have milled the offending post down so that it can be used with the latest oil pumps, the original pump fits no problem but the pumps now sold have a larger endcap .The recommendation from Moss was " yeh we get that alot, you have cut the bit off where the oil pump hits " very informative ! The other thing i've done is to sand back the internal surface of the sump so there is no where for any insolubles to collect as the casting were very rough. Once the oils detergency and dispersants start to deplete the more likely depositing will occur, so the smoother the surface the better the drain.. I also corrected a couple of minor issues with the gasket faces . With so many aftermarket parts these days you have to check everything before fitting . I also noted the fitting kits contain set screws and not bolts ? As far as i can find out Moss & Trshop along with a few others purchase from the same source . The sump i have fitted isn't , (i obtained both in garage sale with only the moss receipt) and as far as I can find out, is a Racetoration sump and is pretty good it is hope that helps Steve Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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