Bfg Posted May 8, 2022 Report Share Posted May 8, 2022 I have a TR4 key ring, same as in the photo below, and in as-new condition. I did a quick on-line search because I was not familiar with Standard-Triumph using a green globe, and so was interested to know more. My web search drug up < Classic Leather Fobs > which describes same key ring as " Triumph TR4 - original vintage new old stock 1970s keyring " and are asking £95 for it. On the back of the metal, its casting says Made in England, as does the gold (coloured) print on the back of the leather, which despite that website's describing it as 'Faux Leather' ..mine does appear to be real. To my eye it looks to be a mass produced key-fob that my Uncle Joe might have bought from a shoe repair shop or Woolworths. My question is two fold, 1. can anyone tell me more about this style of key ring ? and 2. Does such a key ring really sell for that much money ? Thanks, Pete Quote Link to post Share on other sites
boxofbits Posted May 9, 2022 Report Share Posted May 9, 2022 Hi Pete I’d save yourself about £87 with this. Reproduction as far as I know, but. Not certain if pattern is period. I believe mine is the same as this. https://brummiebadgeman.co.uk/product/iconic-1970s-british-car-key-fob-triumph-tr4/ Kevin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bfg Posted May 9, 2022 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2022 I wasn't going to buy one Kevin, and certainly not at that price. I was just sort of wondering if my mindset, seemingly still clearly remembering the 1970's of my youth, was so far out of touch with prices today.? However... if someone want to buy this fine and authentic, as new condition TR4 key ring off of me, I'll undercut Classic_Leather_Fob's price by 10% ! ..post and packing extra Pete Quote Link to post Share on other sites
boxofbits Posted May 9, 2022 Report Share Posted May 9, 2022 5 hours ago, Bfg said: I wasn't going to buy one Kevin, and certainly not at that price. I was just sort of wondering if my mindset, seemingly still clearly remembering the 1970's of my youth, was so far out of touch with prices today.? However... if someone want to buy this fine and authentic, as new condition TR4 key ring off of me, I'll undercut Classic_Leather_Fob's price by 10% ! ..post and packing extra Pete I can’t recall Standard Triumph using a green logo either. I have the same key ring but cannot remember where I acquired it- maybe at a show. I do wonder if they’ve ever sold any at £95 though. Like yours mine is going for a discount price, but I’ll do 20% instead of 10%! Kevin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ralph Whitaker Posted May 10, 2022 Report Share Posted May 10, 2022 I would imagine that these were produced by an independant company with no authority from Triumph. Manufacturers using a companies registered logo have to gain permission, so by producing something similar but in a different colour and using a different style of lettering etc they can get around the copyright laws. Ralph Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lo100469 Posted May 10, 2022 Report Share Posted May 10, 2022 I think I have a cheaper version of it... i will go for 30% discount.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
keith1948 Posted May 10, 2022 Report Share Posted May 10, 2022 (edited) There seem to be a few different pressings of this badge. The first one posted by Pete is the same as mine but mine has more clearly defined 'milling' pattern around the green bit. Mine also has the solid bottom bar next to where it says TR4. Kevins keyring does not have this solid bottom bar but 3 distinct lines to the left of TR4. Maybe this is like coins where an error in casting produces a really valuable one - but then again maybe not. Now if anyone sees a TR4A keyring..................... And here is another kind of badge... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2D15j8ljPQk Keith Edited May 10, 2022 by keith1948 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bfg Posted May 10, 2022 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2022 3 hours ago, Ralph Whitaker said: I would imagine that these were produced by an independent company with no authority from Triumph. Manufacturers using a companies registered logo have to gain permission, so by producing something similar but in a different colour and using a different style of lettering etc they can get around the copyright laws. Ralph Thanks Ralph, your explanation seems well reasoned. cheers, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
boxofbits Posted May 10, 2022 Report Share Posted May 10, 2022 11 hours ago, Lo100469 said: I think I have a cheaper version of it... i will go for 30% discount.... Ah yes. BUT, unlike mine, yours is not buy one get one free is it. Kevin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
monty Posted May 12, 2022 Report Share Posted May 12, 2022 Be different & get one like this! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hamish Posted May 12, 2022 Report Share Posted May 12, 2022 This is mine for the TR Quote Link to post Share on other sites
62-tr4-DK Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 14 hours ago, monty said: Be different & get one like this! Hi Monty, Where did You get this? I really like that... Rgds Niels Peter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Motorsport Mickey Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 Maybe worth considering but dangerous practice to have a key fob which has your Registration number on it. Lose the keys at a showground or large outside event and when found if the finder is a scumbag he has your keys and knows the car is in a limited location and how to recognise it. A ten minute walk around the car park to locate it and your car is...gone...and worse. If you have house keys on it also and you have a sat nav left in the car and have the "HOME" destination set at your address...he has your car and your house keys and it's location to within 20 metres. You would likely not even know that you lost your keys until later in the day when you had finished at the show. In the meantime you are stranded at a show with no way of getting home quickly ! Sorry for being a bucket of cold water. Mick Richards Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ralph Whitaker Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 8 minutes ago, Motorsport Mickey said: Maybe worth considering but dangerous practice to have a key fob which has your Registration number on it. Lose the keys at a showground or large outside event and when found if the finder is a scumbag he has your keys and knows the car is in a limited location and how to recognise it. A ten minute walk around the car park to locate it and your car is...gone...and worse. If you have house keys on it also and you have a sat nav left in the car and have the "HOME" destination set at your address...he has your car and your house keys and it's location to within 20 metres. You would likely not even know that you lost your keys until later in the day when you had finished at the show. In the meantime you are stranded at a show with no way of getting home quickly ! Sorry for being a bucket of cold water. Mick Richards +1, same thoughts crossed my mind too. Ralph Quote Link to post Share on other sites
keith1948 Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 Mind you I guess that having TR4 or whatever on the keyring narrows it down for the scum so if they get their hands on your keys its just a question of trying the keys in a few car doors of that make. Better to keep the keyring anonymous or if you are really sneaky attach a keyring for a different make to waste their time. Well done Mickey for alerting us to this risk. Never thought about it before. Keith Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hamish Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 (edited) 17 hours ago, monty said: Be different & get one like this! Taxed and mot’d I see Monty. Well done. Edited May 13, 2022 by Hamish Quote Link to post Share on other sites
62-tr4-DK Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 There is also this version..... the scumbag needs to be a very nerdy scumbag if he decipher this one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Deggers Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 5 hours ago, Motorsport Mickey said: You would likely not even know that you lost your keys until later in the day when you had finished at the show. Bluetooth trackers are a worthwhile addition to any keyring. Devices such as Apple AirTags, Samsung Smart Tags or Tiles, allow you to track lost keys (or any other item they're attached to for that matter . . . wallets, dogs, errant relatives), and they'll send a realtime map location of its whereabouts to your phone. Unlike a GPS device, they don't actually transmit their location. Instead they rely on being "seen" by other nearby Apple or Android phones, and it is those devices that collectively send the location details to Google. Not foolproof, especially in remote unpopulated places, but better than ambling about without your keys (or a clue) in a crowded show ground. Deggers Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bfg Posted May 13, 2022 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Deggers said: Unlike a GPS device, they don't actually transmit their location. Instead they rely on being "seen" by other nearby Apple or Android phones, and it is those devices that collectively send the location details to Google. That's cool, Never heard of these ..musta been introduced since my time, ie., in the past 45 years. Thanks, I'll check it out. That way if I leave the keys in the car then I'll be able to find the car Pete Edited May 13, 2022 by Bfg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
monty Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 6 hours ago, Motorsport Mickey said: Maybe worth considering but dangerous practice to have a key fob which has your Registration number on it. Lose the keys at a showground or large outside event and when found if the finder is a scumbag he has your keys and knows the car is in a limited location and how to recognise it. A ten minute walk around the car park to locate it and your car is...gone...and worse. If you have house keys on it also and you have a sat nav left in the car and have the "HOME" destination set at your address...he has your car and your house keys and it's location to within 20 metres. You would likely not even know that you lost your keys until later in the day when you had finished at the show. In the meantime you are stranded at a show with no way of getting home quickly ! Sorry for being a bucket of cold water. Mick Richards Thanks Mick, hadn’t thought of that! Will take great care! The plus points are that I have a hidden fuel cutout which means the scumbag will get a short way down the road until the car grinds to a halt & leaves him stranded, plus a battery cutoff, alarm with warning light, tracker & the usual steering wheel & handbrake immobiliser devices if required & a wife who seems to have eyes in the back of her head! I have always thought the best anti-theft device was ‘The Rear End Immobiliser’, a simple device of a sharp metal spike under the drivers seat programmed to only recognise the owners rear end but shoots upwards through the said seat on non recognition! Still needs perfecting! Cheers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
monty Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 8 hours ago, 62-tr4-DK said: Hi Monty, Where did You get this? I really like that... Rgds Niels Peter Some years ago so not sure but I think it was from a place that prints replica tax discs here in UK but beware of Micks following warning. I would not want anybody exposed to theft. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
62-tr4-DK Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 2 hours ago, monty said: Some years ago so not sure but I think it was from a place that prints replica tax discs here in UK but beware of Micks following warning. I would not want anybody exposed to theft. Duly noted Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kiwifrog Posted May 14, 2022 Report Share Posted May 14, 2022 On 5/9/2022 at 1:28 AM, Bfg said: I have a TR4 key ring, same as in the photo below, and in as-new condition. I did a quick on-line search because I was not familiar with Standard-Triumph using a green globe, and so was interested to know more. My web search drug up < Classic Leather Fobs > which describes same key ring as " Triumph TR4 - original vintage new old stock 1970s keyring " and are asking £95 for it. On the back of the metal, its casting says Made in England, as does the gold (coloured) print on the back of the leather, which despite that website's describing it as 'Faux Leather' ..mine does appear to be real. To my eye it looks to be a mass produced key-fob that my Uncle Joe might have bought from a shoe repair shop or Woolworths. My question is two fold, 1. can anyone tell me more about this style of key ring ? and 2. Does such a key ring really sell for that much money ? Thanks, Pete They used to be sold by Moss for about 12 quid a pop Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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