Steve1 Posted November 24, 2021 Report Share Posted November 24, 2021 Hi All Some advice needed please, am thinking of buying an early 7 requiring some work. I read in the TR7 buyers advice (TRR) to steer away from early 'Speke' built cars? Question is, what are the main reasons for this and what should I look out for? Thanks Steve. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wayne Scott Posted November 24, 2021 Report Share Posted November 24, 2021 Hi Steve, These cars are from the early part of TR7 production and were the cars that gave the TR7 the bad press it never really recovered from, despite the fact that later models were pretty well built and had solved all of the criticisms, (like no convertible option and lack of a 5-speed gearbox). The 4-speed box can make them more difficult to live with, as it makes the car scream a bit on the motorway on modern roads - 70 is nearly 4000 RPM, but I did the Round Britain Run in one and it wasn't as bad as many make out, although that gearbox is a lot more delicate than the later 5 - speed. Some of the trim isn't as refined as later models, but you'll hardly notice the difference. Fundamentally the components and even the steel in the bodies was thinner and of lower quality than later cars and they were cursed by constant strike action which saw the plant stopped and body shells left out in the rain to rust. However all that stuff is pretty academic now, because the early TR7s are heading towards their 50th birthday. Cars that have survived nearly half a century have done well!! I would say if you are looking for a car for regular use, long-trips into Europe on holiday, daily commuting etc then look at a later car with a 5-speed box and more of the refinements of the closing stages of development. If you are looking for a project to save something of historic significance to be polished, driven to shows and exhibited then go for it - your restoration will solve many of the build quality issues along the way (done properly) and you'll be saving a very rare car indeed. It will be another preserved example of a pivotal moment in Triumph and automotive history and one definitely worth lavishing your attention on. Hope that helps and encourages in equal measure! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steve1 Posted November 25, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2021 Many thanks Wayne for your detailed info. I really wanted something cheapish I could tinker on and drive so I may hold out for a slightly later 5 speed version should one become available. Steve. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stevew2 Posted November 26, 2021 Report Share Posted November 26, 2021 The 5 speed box was available as an option for some time in the Speke built cars. I haven't found the steel to be worse or thinner in the Speke cars, in fact bonnets for instance always fair better in the Speke cars than they do in the later cars. Don't be put off by a Speke car or what you might read about them. These days you will be lucky to find a "cheapish" car that you can drive as prices are quite rightly going up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Misfit Posted November 27, 2021 Report Share Posted November 27, 2021 (edited) I have owned a 3 speed auto, and 4 speed manual, both hard tops. I now own the 5 speed convertible. The later being my preferred TR7 from a driving point of view, with over 40,000 miles driven on UK and European roads. I can’t say I noticed any significant difference in steel quality or build. The 5 speed box is an improvement on the 4, the auto for me was the less desirable. For long distance driving I find the 5 speed TR7 fun to drive and less tiring than my TR6. I would not be put off buying a TR7 wherever it’s built it’s about its current condition. Edited November 27, 2021 by Misfit Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Charlie D Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 As a kid who grew up near Coventry we were always told that someone from Liverpool was good to have on your side in a pub fight but they didn’t know much about building cars. Possibly true, to a certain extent. Motor engineering, in those days, was a skill passed down from father to son. Most kid’s granddads near Coventry had a shed full of tools and the grandchildren learnt all about them from an early age. I've still got spanners in my garage that belonged to my granddad. But as has been mentioned, all the problems that were caused by a lack of skill have probably now been fixed. (But I still think that if you are in a pub fight it’s a good idea to have a Liverpudlian on your side.) Charlie Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steve1 Posted November 29, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2021 Thanks all for the great advice! I did own an early 7 back in the 80's which seemed a fairly solid car as i remember....did have engine trouble tho. Nevertheless, I'm going to keep an eye out for 5 speed version - wherever built.....and try to stay out of pub fights!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
elclem1 Posted March 10, 2022 Report Share Posted March 10, 2022 hi Steve, I am thinking of selling my speke built (restored) TR7. V plate coupe, the reason not poor build quality but too many cars in the stable. At the moment the car is here in France and has been used to lend to friends who come and stay and want to enjoy the classic car experience. I would like it to go to a good home. it recently flew through a French Mot with no advisories. If your are interested then PM me Cheers Clem. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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