Greg Posted July 4, 2021 Report Share Posted July 4, 2021 Hi all, im looking for help, again! I purchased a new trim kit from John Skinner and took it to a coach trimmers for fitting. There were some issues with door card fitting, which I hope I’ve overcome now. my problem is this. The coach trimmers didn’t remove the door cards and when they were trying to fit the cards they were unsure if the springs for the window winder and door handle fitted under or on top of the card. Years ago, when I used to do this sort of thing (Vauxhall’s and Fords) the spring fitted on the outside of the card under the escutcheon. I’m hoping this is the same for Triumph TR4’s. any ideas? Greg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted July 4, 2021 Report Share Posted July 4, 2021 Hi Greg, the springs fit between the door metal chassis and the card. The plastic escutcheon fits snugly against the card. It can be quite a swine getting the pin into the handle - long nose pliers/tweezers etc would be handy. Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greg Posted July 4, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, RogerH said: Hi Greg, the springs fit between the door metal chassis and the card. The plastic escutcheon fits snugly against the card. It can be quite a swine getting the pin into the handle - long nose pliers/tweezers etc would be handy. Roger Hi Roger, Thank you. I was hoping it would be the other way, had a pig of a job fitting the door cards! how do I keep them in place when fitting the door card? I’ve seen them taped down with masking tape. Is there a danger of the spring coming through the door card? thank you again Roger, your extensive knowledge is proving beneficial. Greg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted July 4, 2021 Report Share Posted July 4, 2021 Hi Greg, the springs should just sit on the spindles whilst you fight the card inserts into the door. A strip of masking tape may help. The springs should not come through the card - I'm sure the big diameter goes against the card Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pfenlon Posted July 4, 2021 Report Share Posted July 4, 2021 (edited) Greg can you post a pic of the fitted doorcard, showing the rear end please. Its the area where the pocket finishes at the rear thats of interest. like this one, but from the vinyl side please. Edited July 4, 2021 by pfenlon Thspelling error Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malbaby Posted July 4, 2021 Report Share Posted July 4, 2021 Poorly made and unacceptable...I would return the card/cards to the supplier. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greg Posted July 5, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2021 14 hours ago, pfenlon said: Greg can you post a pic of the fitted doorcard, showing the rear end please. Its the area where the pocket finishes at the rear thats of interest. like this one, but from the vinyl side please. Hi Pfenlon, I’ve only just seen your message. I’ll take a photo in a bit and post it. It won’t have the springs in, I’m saving that job for another day. Currently fitting new headlamp bowls and trying to sort out 50+ years of diy electrical bits; nightmare! Greg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Peter V W Posted July 5, 2021 Report Share Posted July 5, 2021 Fixing springs onto door card Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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RogerH Posted July 5, 2021 Report Share Posted July 5, 2021 17 hours ago, pfenlon said: Greg can you post a pic of the fitted doorcard, showing the rear end please. Its the area where the pocket finishes at the rear thats of interest. like this one, but from the vinyl side please. Hi Pete, that is not good. It should be straight t follow the indent in the door chassis. Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greg Posted July 5, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2021 14 minutes ago, Peter V W said: Fixing springs onto door card Hi Pete, thank you. That’s really helpful. I saw a video on you tube (Wegs Garage) where they did the same thing and they fitted the pin through the handle by one person compressing the spring and the other putting the pin in. Now to find a trusty assistant. Greg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greg Posted July 5, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2021 2 hours ago, Greg said: Hi Pfenlon, I’ve only just seen your message. I’ll take a photo in a bit and post it. It won’t have the springs in, I’m saving that job for another day. Currently fitting new headlamp bowls and trying to sort out 50+ years of diy electrical bits; nightmare! Greg Here is the close up of the rear of the door card on the passenger side. Greg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greg Posted July 5, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2021 22 hours ago, RogerH said: Hi Greg, the springs should just sit on the spindles whilst you fight the card inserts into the door. A strip of masking tape may help. The springs should not come through the card - I'm sure the big diameter goes against the card Roger Hi Roger, thank you, I now see how they fit and will tackle this in the not too distant future and I’ll let you know how I get on. Greg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pfenlon Posted July 5, 2021 Report Share Posted July 5, 2021 5 hours ago, Greg said: Here is the close up of the rear of the door card on the passenger side. Greg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pfenlon Posted July 5, 2021 Report Share Posted July 5, 2021 Just now, pfenlon said: Just the job Greg thanks for the pic, could you let me know who made the door cards Please. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Colin Symonds Posted July 5, 2021 Report Share Posted July 5, 2021 I found that fitting the new cards to my 4a was really easy. When TRGB had the car in for an engine rebuild and a new window I just said "While you have the doors apart can you fit new door cards please", simple as that and no fighting the pin back into place! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greg Posted July 5, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2021 17 minutes ago, pfenlon said: Hi Pfenion, I bought mine from John Skinner. Some of the clip holes don’t line up. Not sure what to do. Is the car or the trim? Greg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted July 5, 2021 Report Share Posted July 5, 2021 Hi Greg, now you have started something. I was fitting the door cards (right hand door today) not because of this thread but it had to be done. Mine are also Jon Skinner and the holes are apprx in the correct place. - Note - the holes have to be off centre as the locating pin is itself off centre. Many many moons ago I made a template that aligned the pointy bit of the attachment pegs. This gave a nice starting point. Needless to say that got thrown away many moons ago. Today I made a new template from 9mm MDF. I have a spare door with no skin on it so it is easy to drill through and get all the holes in the correct place. The new door card with clips in apprx position are then adjusted and inserted into the MDF. This is now carefully transferred to the door. ( the bloody clips still drop out). Insert the three clips on the front vertical edge firstly. Then go along the bottom. You can actually see where they are going by gently bending the card away from the door. Then do the Rear vertical edge And finally the top. Roger PS - there may be another way that would be easier. Insert all the clips in any one row eg the 4 along the bottom. Using a 1" wide strip of Ali or stainless that covers the length of the 4 clips insert it into the clips - make sure the clips are tight on the metal. Repeat this for the other 3 sides. Coat the metal strips in contact adhesive. Coat the door card with contact adhesive - when ready press the card onto the door. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
signalredshaker Posted July 5, 2021 Report Share Posted July 5, 2021 To be honest, fitting these door cards is always a faff. I had two issues with their door cards- the holes are only approximate - but with quite a bit of effort can be made to work and the door card as shown is very thick where all those layers of material meet near the trailing edge of the door. It didn't used to be like this when John was in charge but it is , unfortunately, now. Why?? James Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greg Posted July 5, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2021 5 hours ago, Colin Symonds said: I found that fitting the new cards to my 4a was really easy. When TRGB had the car in for an engine rebuild and a new window I just said "While you have the doors apart can you fit new door cards please", simple as that and no fighting the pin back into place! Lucky you, I can’t drive all the way to TRGB, but if I could……… Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greg Posted July 5, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2021 3 hours ago, RogerH said: Hi Greg, now you have started something. I was fitting the door cards (right hand door today) not because of this thread but it had to be done. Mine are also Jon Skinner and the holes are apprx in the correct place. - Note - the holes have to be off centre as the locating pin is itself off centre. Many many moons ago I made a template that aligned the pointy bit of the attachment pegs. This gave a nice starting point. Needless to say that got thrown away many moons ago. Today I made a new template from 9mm MDF. I have a spare door with no skin on it so it is easy to drill through and get all the holes in the correct place. The new door card with clips in apprx position are then adjusted and inserted into the MDF. This is now carefully transferred to the door. ( the bloody clips still drop out). Insert the three clips on the front vertical edge firstly. Then go along the bottom. You can actually see where they are going by gently bending the card away from the door. Then do the Rear vertical edge And finally the top. Roger PS - there may be another way that would be easier. Insert all the clips in any one row eg the 4 along the bottom. Using a 1" wide strip of Ali or stainless that covers the length of the 4 clips insert it into the clips - make sure the clips are tight on the metal. Repeat this for the other 3 sides. Coat the metal strips in contact adhesive. Coat the door card with contact adhesive - when ready press the card onto the door. Hi Roger, I shall follow you first idea and make up a template of some kind. I have to finish sorting out the headlights and some wiring under the dash (high beam light not coming on in the speedo); broken wire somewhere from the carpet being fitted. Greg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greg Posted July 5, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2021 2 hours ago, signalredshaker said: To be honest, fitting these door cards is always a faff. I had two issues with their door cards- the holes are only approximate - but with quite a bit of effort can be made to work and the door card as shown is very thick where all those layers of material meet near the trailing edge of the door. It didn't used to be like this when John was in charge but it is , unfortunately, now. Why?? James Good question James. They boast that if they provide something it will fit. If not, they will sort it. I don’t want to test that boast. Greg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted July 6, 2021 Report Share Posted July 6, 2021 I will try and make a dimensioned drawing of my template and post it today. Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted July 6, 2021 Report Share Posted July 6, 2021 Hi Greg, this drawing is pretty close to reality +/_ 0.010" Roger doorcard template.doc Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TorontoTim Posted July 6, 2021 Report Share Posted July 6, 2021 Hi All, This thread prompts me to ask: Are there any suppliers who will JUST supply door cards rather than a larger kit with other bits included? Ta, Tim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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