North London Mike Posted January 5, 2021 Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 2 hours ago, RobH said: Judging by the evidence of my own eyes, they don't seem particularly interested in whether a bike actually has any lights at all, let alone legal ones............... Agree, and they're all on the bloody pavements now anyway !! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PodOne Posted January 5, 2021 Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 2 hours ago, RobH said: Judging by the evidence of my own eyes, they don't seem particularly interested in whether a bike actually has any lights at all, let alone legal ones............... About time they were made to have licence and insurance given the Highway Code is something to carry if they get caught short. Cyclist don't you just love em! Andy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stuart Posted January 6, 2021 Report Share Posted January 6, 2021 14 hours ago, PodOne said: Cyclist don't you just love em! Andy No not when theyre all over the road like they own it! Stuart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PodOne Posted January 6, 2021 Report Share Posted January 6, 2021 1 hour ago, stuart said: No not when theyre all over the road like they own it! Stuart. Like Jam then! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alfrom Posted January 6, 2021 Report Share Posted January 6, 2021 (edited) If the trend to complain about any other road user is to continue, let's not forget horse riders that believe they are top of the pile, even though their animals leave big piles of s**t in the road and have no obligation to clean up after them! As a pedestrian, cyclist and motorist, I find it easy to be critical at times of all other road users as they get close to MY space on the road. I'm sure we all feel like that don't we? As for horses, I know that they can be difficult to control if startled - nothing wrong with horse especially after 15-20 minutes per pound in a hot oven. Apologies for getting really off-topic. Edited January 6, 2021 by Alfrom Apology added Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spit_2.5PI Posted January 6, 2021 Report Share Posted January 6, 2021 3 hours ago, Alfrom said: If the trend to complain about any other road user is to continue, let's not forget horse riders that believe they are top of the pile, even though their animals leave big piles of s**t in the road and have no obligation to clean up after them! May I remind you Alfrom that horses were on the road before cars ... and cyclists. It is we who are impinging on their space! As for cyclists with flashing tail lights, I am thoroughly annoyed with whichever government it was made them legal, because now it's nigh on impossible to buy a BS6102/3 approved rear light. (A reflector would be BS6102/2) Why would a manufacturer spend the money developing the correct beam pattern, and then MORE money to get it approved when they can just make it flashing, spend a bit on marketing like naming it DAZZLER or something like that, and be quids in. Then there are cyclists who have stupidly bright front lights, dazzling all comers. AND THEN there are cyclists who have stupidly bright FLASHING front lights. I now have to buy lights approved to German, French or Dutch standards to be legal on the road, or pick up new-old-stock British Standard stuff when I see it. BUT IF THERE'S ONE THING THAT'S P155!NG ME OFF, it's people like some of you putting me, with my approved front and rear lights, in the same category as these idiots. No, not all cyclists are the same. Actually, most of us a well behaved nice law-abiding people. In fact, some of us are even TR-drivers. Or in my case, TR-powered Spitfire drivers. Some are even horse riders too. So would you kindly cut out the "all cyclists are lowest-of-the-low you-know-what". Happy new year, Richard Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnC Posted January 6, 2021 Report Share Posted January 6, 2021 2 hours ago, Spit_2.5PI said: Happy new year, Richard Well said, and a happy new year to you too. John Quote Link to post Share on other sites
North London Mike Posted January 6, 2021 Report Share Posted January 6, 2021 Cyclists: Obviously present company excepted of course, unless you're barreling along the pavement on a mountain bike expecting me to step into the road to get out of your way (just saying) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alfrom Posted January 6, 2021 Report Share Posted January 6, 2021 Richard I'm with you most of the way. personally, when I'm out on the bikes, I want bright lights that draw attention to the fact that i'm there. the bright front lights are essential when off-road, although some are badly positioned and are dazzling, I agree, but no worse than many modern cars that are reputedly tested to ensure they do not dazzle. I sometimes cycle on Stevenage's cycle tracks where the biggest hazards are pedestrians who refuse to walk in the areas designated for pedestrians. I have fallen off my bike twice in the past 30 years, once was entirely my fault , too fast on a country lane with gravel down the middle and once taking avoiding action because of pedestrians in the wrong area - totally bu**ered the front wheel , despite braking so hard the cable was pulled through the clamp. Managed to avoid the baby buggy though. The dog was very unhappy with the sudden pull on its lead after a pedal snagged its lead. Let's face it accidents will always happen, but most are induced by inappropriate behaviour of some sort. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ntc Posted March 12, 2021 Report Share Posted March 12, 2021 I see that they are now mot fail. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lebro Posted March 12, 2021 Report Share Posted March 12, 2021 Only Headlights, & only when replacing Halogen bulbs. Bob. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ntc Posted March 12, 2021 Report Share Posted March 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, Lebro said: Only Headlights, & only when replacing Halogen bulbs. Bob. Not so Bob It applies to all lights front and rear Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lebro Posted March 12, 2021 Report Share Posted March 12, 2021 https://www.gov.uk/guidance/mot-inspection-manual-for-private-passenger-and-light-commercial-vehicles/updates Show me where ? Bob. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ntc Posted March 12, 2021 Report Share Posted March 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, Lebro said: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/mot-inspection-manual-for-private-passenger-and-light-commercial-vehicles/updates Show me where ? Bob. DVSA Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lebro Posted March 12, 2021 Report Share Posted March 12, 2021 Nope, cant find any thing there later than the January update on headlamps Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DRD Posted March 12, 2021 Report Share Posted March 12, 2021 Most TR's don't need an MOT anymore. Just get an independent check to make sure the car is roadworthy instead. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RobH Posted March 12, 2021 Report Share Posted March 12, 2021 29 minutes ago, ntc said: Not so Bob It applies to all lights front and rear Not according to the January 11th issue of the Testing Manual currently on the DVSA web page https://www.gov.uk/guidance/mot-inspection-manual-for-private-passenger-and-light-commercial-vehicles/4-lamps-reflectors-and-electrical-equipment#section-4-4-1 The only mention is : "Existing halogen headlamp units should not be converted to be used with high intensity discharge (HID) or light emitting diode (LED) bulbs. If such a conversion has been done, you must fail the headlamp." Do you know of a later update which widens this to all lights but which has not yet been published ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ntc Posted March 12, 2021 Report Share Posted March 12, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Lebro said: Nope, cant find any thing there later than the January update on headlamps It’s there Bob indeed they are now illegal the article is in classic car weekly Edited March 12, 2021 by ntc Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted March 12, 2021 Report Share Posted March 12, 2021 Hi Neil, Classic Car Weekly is not a legal document ad they may well be interpreting it wrong like we are. Our original bulbs TR2 TR5 and possibly 6 were argon filled not Halogen orXenon. Also our bulbs/lamps were not not E marked or CE marked so are outside of this latest ambiguous garbage. How can any organisation allow those dangerous blinding HiD lamps yet get grumpy about LED's that work virtually the same as filament bulbs One is dangerour the other for safety. Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ntc Posted March 12, 2021 Report Share Posted March 12, 2021 Maybe Wayne can comment as the trr also made a comment in it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lebro Posted March 12, 2021 Report Share Posted March 12, 2021 You stated that all led lamps are an MOT failure, I would just like to see where that is stated in print on an official government document. The latest MOT update on car lighting is from January, & that only refers to headlights. Bob Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Harbottle Posted March 12, 2021 Report Share Posted March 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, Lebro said: You stated that all led lamps are an MOT failure, I would just like to see where that is stated in print on an official government document. The latest MOT update on car lighting is from January, & that only refers to headlights. Bob x2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ntc Posted March 12, 2021 Report Share Posted March 12, 2021 Wish I had not bothered if the article is incorrect I will cancel my subscription to the paper bdq Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HSM Posted March 12, 2021 Report Share Posted March 12, 2021 From Class 4 test manual. Section 4.2 front & rear position lamps, 4.2.3 compliance with requirements, defect category (a) (i) emitted a colour, position or intensity not in accordance with the requirements. Minor defect. Harvey Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andy Moltu Posted March 12, 2021 Report Share Posted March 12, 2021 I think I read the same article - can't put my hand on it but the implicaion was that LED lights were now a fail. I believe our esteemed chairman's 7 just failed on this very thing and had to swap back to halogens. (Not the only failure item I gather) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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