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7 hours ago, Motorsport Mickey said:

"but the virus has certainly acted as a catalyst."

Is that another mutation ? can we get an injection that will allow life to carry on. ?

Mick Richards

:)  Perhaps there will be future mutation nicknamed CV-Catalyst, in the meantime I’ll view the increased appetite for inter-marque-collaboration as a welcome byproduct of the past year.

....... Andy 

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8 hours ago, RogerH said:

yes Mick - it's called Vit D3  go for it.

 

Roger

Are MGCC members  D3-aware ?  probably not. Someone should tell them !

Am hoping that day tickets will be availabel for non-members....

Peter

 

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12 hours ago, Mick Forey said:

John, the event is a joint venture between TR Register, TSSC and MGCC. However, all Standard and Triumph clubs have been invited. We will also invite other classic car club members to attend. The more the merrier. There is a already working team set up with Lesley Swain, Cat Tunnadine and Jo representing the TR Register. 

This sort of thing is the future of the classic car movement. Tickets go on sale on 1st March.

Mick

Good news, and I agree with your last para, very much!

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Harrumph.....!

 

Dave "Lightning " Brown and few other of the ‘proper hairy chested TR drivers of old’ will be turning in their graves at this latest capitulation to the ‘enemy’ by ‘management’ without any prior consultation with the membership....... 

 

"Lions being led by donkeys" is the old saying that comes immediately to mind!

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41 minutes ago, Tony_C said:

Harrumph.....!

 

Dave "Lightning " Brown and few other of the ‘proper hairy chested TR drivers of old’ will be turning in their graves at this latest capitulation to the ‘enemy’ by ‘management’ without any prior consultation with the membership....... 

 

"Lions being led by donkeys" is the old saying that comes immediately to mind!

May I refer Tony_C and any "hairy chested TR drivers" of today to my proposal in the Motorsports Forum?  

https://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/76211-tr-motorsport-display-at-malvern/

 

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I've posted this on the Motorsports Forum, but decided to dump it here as well.

Members may recall that I organised a couple of such displays of sporting Triumphs:

2010: “The Works Triumphs” display for the IWE at Malvern – 22 Works’ Triumphs (including Spitfires and 2.5PIs) and 20 special guests.

2015: “Competition Triumphs” display for IWE Malvern.

I have retained my files, which include layout drawings for the top bay of the hall, showing how one can fit 22 cars in there.

Ian Cornish

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Just tried to book tickets and can't get the link to work...............? 

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2 hours ago, Tony_C said:

Harrumph.....!

 

Dave "Lightning " Brown and few other of the ‘proper hairy chested TR drivers of old’ will be turning in their graves at this latest capitulation to the ‘enemy’ by ‘management’ without any prior consultation with the membership....... 

 

"Lions being led by donkeys" is the old saying that comes immediately to mind!

I do hope that was written in jest.

There never has been any 'enemy' and I would hazard that the majority of members would be in favour of club officers making the decisions that they have been voted in to take.

Jerry

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To answer you Graham,

Lesley Swain is our 'Top Dog' on this one and very competent at knocking a few heads together I can assure you!

To answer Tony C,

Spoken in jest or not, the days of 3000 hairy chested (sorry Ladies) TR owners turning up at an event like Malvern are well gone. Regretfully age takes it's toll!

If we want a big event like those of old then collaboration is the name of the game - does that make us lambs?

Cheers,

Allan

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44 minutes ago, jerrytr5 said:

I do hope that was written in jest.

There never has been any 'enemy' and I would hazard that the majority of members would be in favour of club officers making the decisions that they have been voted in to take.

Jerry

I think you worry needlessly Jerry, the days of seperate clubs "fishing" in a large pond a la the 80s/90s and early 2000s years have gone, any reticence from our club and ourselves to recognise this will have deletorius effects upon our future survival. 

Overall the numbers of club members are in decline, why bother to belong to a 1 make car club ? the previous advantages of specialist knowledge, autojumbles where the remains of previous cars can be bought to keep your own on the road, access to specialist insurers to make owning your car affordable, an annual meeting where you can meet old friends, and admire the new creations coming back to life, has been subsumed by the internet and changing age profiles of not only the owners but the cars.

The cars which we own are those which inspired us when we were in our 20s 30/40/50s and in the main todays younger generation aspire to different cars and often (not always) regard our cars in the same vein we regarded a 1932 Singer or somesuch comparison, nice, characterful  but in the main not what they want to put in their garage. As for belonging to club that surely is "so last century" when almost all info is available...here, on these pages offered for free and in greater detail than it ever was 20/30 or 40 years ago, is I think regarded as being "for the birds."

"TR drivers of old " would crtainly regard MG and other different car marques as the enemy, if only because the Triumph models were sold against these other manufacturer models and a decision of a car buyer to choose a particular car naturally meant the positive reinforcement of say a Triumph as against a MG, natural and understandable, or vice versa. 

However  "The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there." has never been so truely quoted.

That was then, and now is a different environment with different circumstance and attitudes of younger generations. I applaud the forward thinking of individuals and also the management committee in working with other clubs and organising joint functions. Although not organised directly by our joint managements the TR and MG spares meetings held early in the year has been very successful and rightly so, it benefits from the footfall from both well supported clubs and because of that the supporting stalls not necessarily supporting either of these marques has grown which makes the day well worth attending. 

The way forward is for all the clubs to offer conjoined meetings where different marques are invited and the benefits spread them all. If a marque wishes to offer their own seperate meeting then that's their choice and will be judged upon it's own success, but these will become more cost sensitive and difficult to organise year on year.

Mick Richards 

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Well said Mick.

The rivalry was always mostly friendly, perhaps with a bit of an edge at times.

But we've all grown up, and many have a foot in both camps now - we're bringing the Midget as I posted above......

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3 hours ago, cvtrian said:

+ another 1 for Mick's comments.
I wonder if the TR Register will be joining MG Live at Silverstone in 2022?
Ian

I think a possible natural progression, and don't forget the Triumph Stags also offer the same meeting and probably TSSC also. A whole new events calendar will open up and necessarily maybe a new attitude to new friends from other clubs. Like working from home, the changing circumstances will determine new acquaintences and different ways of working, sometimes the change is not welcome but refusal to engage with it will as always lead to the same conclusion...extinction, evolve.

Mick Richards 

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3 hours ago, cvtrian said:

+ another 1 for Mick's comments.
I wonder if the TR Register will be joining MG Live at Silverstone in 2022?
Ian

EXACTLY!   I've been trying to persuade the Triumph clubs to hold main meetings at motorpsort venues for years, so that the few remaining (and hoping to recruit) Triumph racers can show off their stuff.    If we can do it on the back of MG, Great!   Silverstone has room enough and more for both clubs.

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9 hours ago, Motorsport Mickey said:

I think you worry needlessly Jerry, the days of seperate clubs "fishing" in a large pond a la the 80s/90s and early 2000s years have gone, any reticence from our club and ourselves to recognise this will have deletorius effects upon our future survival. 

Overall the numbers of club members are in decline, why bother to belong to a 1 make car club ? the previous advantages of specialist knowledge, autojumbles where the remains of previous cars can be bought to keep your own on the road, access to specialist insurers to make owning your car affordable, an annual meeting where you can meet old friends, and admire the new creations coming back to life, has been subsumed by the internet and changing age profiles of not only the owners but the cars.

The cars which we own are those which inspired us when we were in our 20s 30/40/50s and in the main todays younger generation aspire to different cars and often (not always) regard our cars in the same vein we regarded a 1932 Singer or somesuch comparison, nice, characterful  but in the main not what they want to put in their garage. As for belonging to club that surely is "so last century" when almost all info is available...here, on these pages offered for free and in greater detail than it ever was 20/30 or 40 years ago, is I think regarded as being "for the birds."

"TR drivers of old " would crtainly regard MG and other different car marques as the enemy, if only because the Triumph models were sold against these other manufacturer models and a decision of a car buyer to choose a particular car naturally meant the positive reinforcement of say a Triumph as against a MG, natural and understandable, or vice versa. 

However  "The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there." has never been so truely quoted.

That was then, and now is a different environment with different circumstance and attitudes of younger generations. I applaud the forward thinking of individuals and also the management committee in working with other clubs and organising joint functions. Although not organised directly by our joint managements the TR and MG spares meetings held early in the year has been very successful and rightly so, it benefits from the footfall from both well supported clubs and because of that the supporting stalls not necessarily supporting either of these marques has grown which makes the day well worth attending. 

The way forward is for all the clubs to offer conjoined meetings where different marques are invited and the benefits spread them all. If a marque wishes to offer their own seperate meeting then that's their choice and will be judged upon it's own success, but these will become more cost sensitive and difficult to organise year on year.

Mick Richards 

How I wish I could have said that as well. 

I have never really been a hairy chested individual,  what little I had seems to have migrated to my ears and those black curls on top have gone, very grey and are spouting virtually every where else. 

I’ve mellowed and I even find myself complimenting MG Car owners on the cars, “they have to be really nice though”. :rolleyes:Now days I even find Morgan drivers will wave when I go by in the TR. 

I congratulate all those involved. Well said Mick Richards

 

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For a view from further afield...

Here in Canada, my experience is that all "old car" people like all other "old car" people - even N American models.  We always give each other a friendly wave on the road and stop and chat when possible.

We have the Toronto Triumph Club who are a great bunch of people (Chef Tush is a prominant member, for those who know his videos) but the biggest event that they organise is British Car Day.  You can guess how many marques that covers.

Life would be dull if we all liked the same things - and I quite like that TRs are a bit rarer than MGs here (not to mention my Norton Atlas vs Triumph Bonnevilles).

It's a good plan and I hope it works well.

Tim

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Having been brought up in the vintage world via VSCC and spending  very many happy hours in various race paddocks around the country ( dad didn’t do static car shows) and a few miserable hours in wind driven snow at April silverstones  where there used to be every amazing marque under the sun with ERA, Bugatti, Maserati guys all mixing and having a laugh with the 750culb Austin’s and Vauxhall and Alvis chaps etc

we should get over any badge rivalry or snobbery  I don’t understand it.

I wave to any old car when out on a trip  - some even wave back.

 

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20 hours ago, Rod1883 said:

Well said Mick.

The rivalry was always mostly friendly, perhaps with a bit of an edge at times.

But we've all grown up, and many have a foot in both camps now - we're bringing the Midget as I posted above......

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I'm sure I had a T shirt with that logo on it once, heaven knows where its gone now, mind you even if I still had it I don't suppose I could wear it as anything other than an arm band now ! 

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1 hour ago, Hamish said:

Having been brought up in the vintage world via VSCC and spending  very many happy hours in various race paddocks around the country ( dad didn’t do static car shows) and a few miserable hours in wind driven snow at April silverstones  where there used to be every amazing marque under the sun with ERA, Bugatti, Maserati guys all mixing and having a laugh with the 750culb Austin’s and Vauxhall and Alvis chaps etc

we should get over any badge rivalry or snobbery  I don’t understand it.

I wave to any old car when out on a trip  - some even wave back.

 

Absolutely. I happen to have a 3A but friends have other Marques and my interest embraces their cars and classics generally. I have always admired the lines of the MGA and working on a friend's Midget on the side of the road (as one did as impoverished youngsters) I learnt the few skills I have. Looking forward to the event.

Miles

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Great news that the MGCC are to be at Malvern and, that possibly , other Clubs will also be there. I am looking forward to the event.
On the assumption that the MGCC, and potentially other Clubs, will be contributing to the costs of putting on the event, will the TRR’s cost saving be passed on to the membership?

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36 minutes ago, Grahamgl said:

Great news that the MGCC are to be at Malvern and, that possibly , other Clubs will also be there. I am looking forward to the event.
On the assumption that the MGCC, and potentially other Clubs, will be contributing to the costs of putting on the event, will the TRR’s cost saving be passed on to the membership?

And if the event is a total washout how much extra membership costs will be applied to the membership to help ameliorate the costs of running the TR Register ?

Or why should ANY cost saving be passed onto members via reduced membership who DIDN'T contribute by their prescence and attend events... ie the majority of members.

I think your last comments takes away the congratulations of your prior paragraph, the club is investing in sensible and innovative practices with other clubs to ensure the survival of a club membership for ALL the classic car owners. Check out the kit car scene, examine the number of kit car shows now...since the imposition of "bring your car and the entry is free" the removal of gate receipts has thrown their various  clubs and supporting industries "under the bus". The venues around the country still charge eye watering fees (no matter what the weather or attendance turnout) against show organisers whilst there is vastly reduced receipts to allocate the costs against, result a huge decrease in kit car shows available for car owners to attend.     

Mick Richards

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