Trumpy Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 5 hours ago, Tim D. said: Having perhaps bought the last Strongman lift before they ran out of stock I suspect I have the most recent model. To me you could easily narrow it but you would have to reduce the width of not only the flat plate (known as the torsion bar on their part manifest) and also the cross strut at the front that keeps the ramps parallel. Should be a simple case of cutting and rewelding. Tim Ahh , it was you !! Every where seems to be out of stock at the moment . Thanks for confirming what i thought was possible . Apparently (please correct me if wrong ) the cross strut at the front is an extra that comes with the mobility pack for another £180. Does this just bolt into the frame ? If so then could it be easily shortened from each end to keep the towbar in the middle ? Having now looked into these ramps (somewhat obsessively) i think the strongman is maybe the one of the better models although they all look v similar and all seem to be made in China . Dave Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Trumpy Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 12 hours ago, mtrehy said: The platforms in the scissor lift in my post could be put whatever distance apart you like. You would h ave to get a local hydraulic place to remake a couple of hoses if you went too extreme Hi, Sorry , looked at your previous posts but unsure which lift you have . Link sent me to GEG site and their platinum lift which looks v good but doesnt look adjustable . . Could you resend me a link or just model name please . Thanks Dave Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tim D. Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Trumpy said: Ahh , it was you !! Every where seems to be out of stock at the moment . Thanks for confirming what i thought was possible . Apparently (please correct me if wrong ) the cross strut at the front is an extra that comes with the mobility pack for another £180. Does this just bolt into the frame ? If so then could it be easily shortened from each end to keep the towbar in the middle ? Having now looked into these ramps (somewhat obsessively) i think the strongman is maybe the one of the better models although they all look v similar and all seem to be made in China . Dave Sorry Dave! Could be that the crosspiece comes with the mobility pack. I have the pack, so makes sense. As delivered the whole thing is very heavy. Just about managed it with an engine crane. Tim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mtrehy Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 57 minutes ago, Trumpy said: Hi, Sorry , looked at your previous posts but unsure which lift you have . Link sent me to GEG site and their platinum lift which looks v good but doesnt look adjustable . . Could you resend me a link or just model name please . Thanks Dave https://geg.co/product/eurotek-fhs3-scissor-lift/?v=79cba1185463 Eurotek FHS3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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John Morrison Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 8 hours ago, Tim D. said: Having perhaps bought the last Strongman lift before they ran out of stock I suspect I have the most recent model. To me you could easily narrow it but you would have to reduce the width of not only the flat plate (known as the torsion bar on their part manifest) and also the cross strut at the front that keeps the ramps parallel. Should be a simple case of cutting and rewelding. Tim Don't know which Strongman Lift you are looking at, but I have the Glenfinnan Four Poster, it is basically a scaled down full 3,2 Ton, mechanics lift, and has served me well for over a decade now. Of the two ramps, the one that carries the ram is bolted and needs to stay put, the other ram, has no cables or hydraulics and although bolted to the front and rear crossmembers, can be relocated inboard or indeed outboard, by several inches to accomodate much narrower or wider cars than our TR's. I confirmed this with, folks of the Strongman tools site at the NEC in 2019, I asked because the ramps as designed can make sill work a bit awkward. John. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Harbottle Posted January 15, 2021 Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 (edited) Hi Dave, Here is a picture of my 4 post ramp. As you can see it is handy for storing another car underneath. I have about 6 plastic drip trays fitted across the ramp in case the Tr5 drips any oil. It just about fits in a standard size garage although I took the up and over dorr off to fit car on top and fitted an electric roll up door. Paul Edited January 15, 2021 by Harbottle Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Trumpy Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 I found a lift at GEG who offered a 20% discount and next day delivery . impatience took hold so here it is . I was a bit alarmed to see the door gaps open up though when the car was in the air ! Is this normal ? I lifted from the chassis just behind the front wheels ( with a cross beam) and just in front of the rears . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Motorsport Mickey Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 Yeah, the IRS chassis cars unless on an absolutely perfect chassis do tend to open up on the door openings when lifted, doesn't look that excessive though. Mick Richards Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Trumpy Posted January 17, 2021 Report Share Posted January 17, 2021 Phew ! Not only mine then . Drivers side was only slight but passenger side v noticeable and the door jammed . At least it returned to normal once on the deck again . The front lift point still has most of the engine weight and suspension/ wheels beyond it . if I lock the end hinged ramps up I can move the lift point forwards and try again . Dave Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tim D. Posted January 17, 2021 Report Share Posted January 17, 2021 I have a new chassis on my 6 and same things happens. tim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Trumpy Posted January 17, 2021 Report Share Posted January 17, 2021 That’s good to know , well not really good but at least it’s not just mine . i did have a slight moment when I noticed . just wondering if a car was jacked up front and back would it close door gaps ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ianc Posted January 18, 2021 Report Share Posted January 18, 2021 It's clear by just looking at a plan view of an IRS TR's chassis that it is much less stiff than that of the TR2-TR4 (not that those are stiff), but, by golly, I never realised that the rear wheels on IRS TRs could adopt such a terrible angle of dangle! Ian Cornish Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Trumpy Posted January 29, 2021 Report Share Posted January 29, 2021 I spoke to GEG (lift supplier) who has confirmed that the loading ramps are ok to use as lifting points when in the raised position. This has allowed me to move the cross beams apart by about 14” , . Car now lifts with no noticeable chassis flex . Much happier Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnC Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 Has anyone seen a scissor lift narrow enough to pick up the front of the chassis without a cross-beam? I’d like to be able to drop the sump and work on the bottom end, and I can’t see how that’s possible with a cross-beam. Or is it? John Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tim D. Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 On mine the cross beam is well behind the sump. So should be no issue. tim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Motorsport Mickey Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, JohnC said: Has anyone seen a scissor lift narrow enough to pick up the front of the chassis without a cross-beam? I’d like to be able to drop the sump and work on the bottom end, and I can’t see how that’s possible with a cross-beam. Or is it? John 2 hours ago, Tim D. said: On mine the cross beam is well behind the sump. So should be no issue. tim Just stumbled upon a picture of Tims he was kind enough to forward to me about 6 years ago, as you can see excellent forward access to the underneath of the engine and gearbox and all the way down to the back of the vehicle and the diff. The 820mm working space between ramps allows unfettered access there, and if the crossmember is positioned in an inconvenient place the car can be moved forward or backwards or the crossmember repositioned to give the access you require. When you combine this with the full access to each corner where the wheels are it's a pretty comprehensive access package for the lift. The seperate ramps allow all this and have the hydraulic lift cylinders and scissor mechanisums contained underneath each ramp which allows them to lift almost perfectly vertically. There are some cheaper scissor lifts offered which only use a centrally positioned ram and hydraulics and the access there within the ramps is much more restricted. Mick Richards Edited January 30, 2021 by Motorsport Mickey Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnC Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 (edited) That's reassuring. I had a crawl around and assumed the cross beam had to be as far forward as possible (i.e., just behind the front wheels), which is under the sump. I've found a slightly narrower lift (800mm btw platforms) which me be a tiny bit better. My idea, obviously, would be to have platforms close enough to obviate the need for a cross-beam. John Edited January 30, 2021 by JohnC Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Motorsport Mickey Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 (edited) "My idea, obviously, would be to have platforms close enough to obviate the need for a cross-beam." Hmmmmm, 800 as against 820mm is indeed a "tiny" bit less inbetween the ramps and would it be worth the compromise ? maybe a constraint too far. As you can see, to actually get the ramps under the chassis may require about 300mm ? taking out of the working width down the car to allow the narrower section of the chassis to make the ramps...even if allowed to locate right upon the ramp side dimension. That in itself restricts getting to anything down the centre and removing or adding components there. Maybe a compromise too far ? Mick Richards Edited January 30, 2021 by Motorsport Mickey Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Trumpy Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 2 hours ago, JohnC said: That's reassuring. I had a crawl around and assumed the cross beam had to be as far forward as possible (i.e., just behind the front wheels), which is under the sump. I've found a slightly narrower lift (800mm btw platforms) which me be a tiny bit better. My idea, obviously, would be to have platforms close enough to obviate the need for a cross-beam. John I was trying to achieve exactly the same with ramp widths . The Strongman lift has only one plate connecting the two ramps which bolts between them . I think this could easily be shortened to provide what ever width you require. However I have now bought a lift with wider ramps and use cross beams which allow me to lift nearer the front / rear and avoid chassis flex when the car is in the air , also move lifting points forward and aft as required. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mtrehy Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 I don't really understand the concern. I don't see whey you would have any problem removing sump on a scissor lift. Couple of old pics of a TR6 on mine. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Motorsport Mickey Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 That doesn't look a scissor lift that has 820mm between the ramps. ? Mick Richards Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mtrehy Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 12 minutes ago, Motorsport Mickey said: That doesn't look a scissor lift that has 820mm between the ramps. ? Mick Richards I can't remember but you could put them wherever you wanted. Only thing that connects each ramp is hydraulic hose so completely up to the purchaser. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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