Jump to content

Quick backlight question - Honeybourne


Recommended Posts

Here we go again, Yes the Moss seal is too long but its designed like that and they spent a long time getting the spec right for this, centre the rubber to the glass and the excess should be equalised at each bottom corner so that when fitted the rubber goes all the way down into each corner of the frame, if you fit a shorter rubber you will be able to see daylight through each corner. I does work not only on an original but also on a Honeybourne  if you go down the route of fitting a glass window in one of them.

Stuart.

 

090 - Copy.JPG

Link to post
Share on other sites

Thank you Stuart, sure you've said that many times but it's good to have the reassurance that the Moss seal is good. I'm having another crack at it later today and, from what you say, I now understand that I distribute the excess to the two "front lower" corners. FYI I attach a pic of its current state (showing the excess at the back) before I redistribute it.

I just didn't appreciate that I need to fit the glass/seal assembly to the frame with the seal a bit "flappy" at those corners. I expected the seal to be snugly on the glass before attaching to the frame. The idea then is, during frame attachment, to push the seal firmly into those corners on the frame and the glass should (somehow) follow suit and it ends up looking like your pic! 

Thanks to all for their support, I'll update asap

tr4 pic1.jpg

Link to post
Share on other sites

Update. I moved the slack toward the corners and equalised as much as possible. Then added cord, lubed and started pushing into the frame. I had two abortive efforts starting from the top centre so tried starting bottom centre and it seemed to work better (although that may be luck). 

It's in. Not great, but it's in. I had a lot of trouble with the top right corner, which wouldn't sit down and seat properly in the frame. Even now the right side only just "lips over" the frame on the inside in that bottom corner. Plus both bottom glass corners aren't seated properly into the seal channel meaning I have a tiny gap (see pic of one side, but the other is much the same).

At this point I'm hoping someone says "leave it a day or two and it will settle a bit more". My theory is that the heavy glass plus gravity will mean it sinks in a little. That's probably more desperate hope than science though. In the meantime I'll do some fine adjustments to the seal here and there. 

 

 

corner2.jpg

Link to post
Share on other sites

The problem with gravity is that it slows time down so if you don't mind waiting until another pearl of wisdom comes up, leave it alone. On a more pragmatic note, suction pads might help in pushing/pulling the glass in the corners.

Edited by Geko
Link to post
Share on other sites

Thanks Geko

Yes time is not my friend, considering the backlight has already occupied the dining table for a week already. Wife not impressed but kids happy. Mind you the hard top is currently leaning on the bedroom wall.

I think I have some suction cups somewhere, they should give me more jiggle power. Little by little I think it is settling a bit.

 

Thanks

Rod

Link to post
Share on other sites

They do always go in from the bottom  or else your struggling to drag the corners in too far, it looks as if you may have stretched the rubber a bit too much, I would leave it for tonight and then tease the rubber backwards a bit to get it to pull up a bit more. you may actually have the glass over slightly too much to the left, a few slaps across with the flat of your hand may help to centralise it.

Stuart.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Thanks Stuart, no wonder top-down was sub-optimal. I feel that things are gradually jiggling in the right direction. Suspect you're right about the stretching. I didn't use a lot of lube putting it in but am now adding and fiddling and feel a lot better about it.

I need to clean my nice new vinyl trim now, slightly grubby from all the shoving.

Hope there is good takeup on the new units. I plan to keep the hardtop on permanently. Like the look and far more practical in Scotland.

Link to post
Share on other sites
19 hours ago, Rod Mac said:

Thanks Stuart, no wonder top-down was sub-optimal. I feel that things are gradually jiggling in the right direction. Suspect you're right about the stretching. I didn't use a lot of lube putting it in but am now adding and fiddling and feel a lot better about it.

I need to clean my nice new vinyl trim now, slightly grubby from all the shoving.

Hope there is good takeup on the new units. I plan to keep the hardtop on permanently. Like the look and far more practical in Scotland.

I run mine with the roof on all the time as I like the closed coupe feel plus it does stiffen the car up a bit.

Stuart.

photo1851.thumb.jpg.b268600b3bc8f51b0acf896ec73d4345.jpg

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • 3 weeks later...

Ok so the Honeybourne backlight arrived, very smart. I've got it positioned reasonably well, it seems to sit on the rear deck ok (seal removed so I can check in case anyone points that out :)), and removed the front pair of studs which are not required for the 4a with its waisted deck (pic 2). I discussed this with their workshop manager and he didn't realise that 4a customers were cutting this out, so hopefully in the future they will ask customers if they want those studs left off (seems a bit obvious to me). The door window glass seems to line up ok (pic 3) and the previous advice regarding seal fitting should work fine, if fitting the metal channel to the inside edge of that front face, do you pop rivet or self tap screws into the GRP? My only initial problem is that where the front of the backlight sits on the B post, it seems to be sitting high, leaving a gap, in fact the front 1/4" stud which is screwed into the top of the B post only just pokes through the hole in the inside of the backlight so something isn't right. Have people had to trim the front bottom edge of the backlight frame to get it to sit down more snugly on the deck?

Many thanks

David

Honey rear.JPG

Honey stud removed.JPG

Honey RH window edgw.JPG

Honey fr rh edge.JPG

Link to post
Share on other sites

Also remember the studs all around have a thickish rubber doughnut between the frame and the bodywork, so it won't sit exactly onto the steel panels flush.  

Mick Richards

Link to post
Share on other sites
13 hours ago, Motorsport Mickey said:

Also remember the studs all around have a thickish rubber doughnut between the frame and the bodywork, so it won't sit exactly onto the steel panels flush.  

Mick Richards

I had looked at the moss /rimmer catalogues which only list a fibre /flat washer, revingtons mention something more substantial, but it has been superseded by a polybush, really?? Any other suggestions? 

Link to post
Share on other sites
On 2/7/2021 at 9:17 AM, Geko said:

Yeah: Don't be too pedantic...

Screenshot 2021-02-07 at 17.14.28.png

Screenshot 2021-02-07 at 17.15.32.png

Sorry but your comparing chalk with cheese Steph, my picture of the blue frame is a genuine Surrey rear frame, the lower white one is a fibre Honeybourne one and their window is a totally different fit.

Stuart.

Link to post
Share on other sites
On 2/6/2021 at 3:36 PM, qkingston said:

Ok so the Honeybourne backlight arrived, very smart. I've got it positioned reasonably well, it seems to sit on the rear deck ok (seal removed so I can check in case anyone points that out :)), and removed the front pair of studs which are not required for the 4a with its waisted deck (pic 2). I discussed this with their workshop manager and he didn't realise that 4a customers were cutting this out, so hopefully in the future they will ask customers if they want those studs left off (seems a bit obvious to me). The door window glass seems to line up ok (pic 3) and the previous advice regarding seal fitting should work fine, if fitting the metal channel to the inside edge of that front face, do you pop rivet or self tap screws into the GRP? My only initial problem is that where the front of the backlight sits on the B post, it seems to be sitting high, leaving a gap, in fact the front 1/4" stud which is screwed into the top of the B post only just pokes through the hole in the inside of the backlight so something isn't right. Have people had to trim the front bottom edge of the backlight frame to get it to sit down more snugly on the deck?

Many thanks

David

Honey rear.JPG

Honey stud removed.JPG

Honey RH window edgw.JPG

Honey fr rh edge.JPG

It looks also as it the frame needs drawing in towards the middle of the car a little at the front that way it may fit a bit better, Ive not seen one with that "Ear" at the front lower of the frame either.

Heres one I had a few years ago.

Stuart.

 

Surrey top and backlight 004.jpg

Link to post
Share on other sites

Thanks Stuart, and for the rear seal, I know you have mentioned 2 possibles from Seals Direct either 1987 or 1972, any preference for the Honeybourne?

Rgds

David

Link to post
Share on other sites
8 minutes ago, qkingston said:

Thanks Stuart, and for the rear seal, I know you have mentioned 2 possibles from Seals Direct either 1987 or 1972, any preference for the Honeybourne?

Rgds

David

Depends on how good a fit to the rear deck it is, the bigger one is often a better fit with the thicker lower lip on the fibre one.

Stuart.

Link to post
Share on other sites
43 minutes ago, stuart said:

Sorry but your comparing chalk with cheese Steph, my picture of the blue frame is a genuine Surrey rear frame, the lower white one is a fibre Honeybourne one and their window is a totally different fit.

Stuart.

That's what I meant: Can't compare an original like yours with a moulded frame, let alone trying to get the same fit

Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, Geko said:

That's what I meant: Can't compare an original like yours with a moulded frame, let alone trying to get the same fit

Managed it with my Honeybourne rear section.

Stuart.

1776916116_Looe-1-Copy.thumb.jpg.38655f08f0eb3580e60144b47a1c55fe.jpg516248772_IMG_0009_1200x880-Copy.thumb.jpg.6e5c1bd66135bc60c900e513bd6466c5.jpg

Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Restore formatting

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

Please familiarise yourself with our Terms and Conditions. By using this site, you agree to the following: Terms of Use.